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MTI 09-09-2005 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor
Welfare bums (a racially neutral term) are not the cream of the american crop.....or even the human gene pool.

And they proved it when things got rough...


Ladies & Gentlemen . . . the return of the undisputed Generalization Crap Champion of Open Discussion

boneheaddoctor 09-09-2005 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MTI
Ladies & Gentlemen . . . the return of the undisputed Generalization Crap Champion of Open Discussion

lazy bums who refuse to get off their fat behinds to work and who expect the rest of us to support them are your heros?

Tough..they are not mine....I have to get up and work and so should they....


They proved it in LA....they proved it again in New Orleans...

MTI 09-09-2005 08:03 PM

Sire, there's no need to go further, none of us aspire to your throne.

boneheaddoctor 09-09-2005 08:07 PM

Well Most of us are sick and tired of paying higher taxes to support those lazy baby factories and crooks....( and there are whites too who fit this description FYI just to be clear)

There are jobs out there if they weren't too lazy to work..

Hell Mexicans seem to have no trouble finding jobs.

MTI 09-09-2005 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor
Hell Mexicans seem to have no trouble finding jobs.

Of course that has nothing to do with the fact that our laws make it easier for undocumented aliens to be hired as migrant farm workers, unskilled laborers and other positions than American citizens . . . you know, stuff like taxes, benefits, healthcare, decent working conditions . . . nah, it's because their all lazy . . . yeah, that must be it.

boneheaddoctor 09-09-2005 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MTI
Of course that has nothing to do with the fact that our laws make it easier for undocumented aliens to be hired as migrant farm workers, unskilled laborers and other positions than American citizens . . . you know, stuff like taxes, benefits, healthcare, decent working conditions . . . nah, it's because their all lazy . . . yeah, that must be it.

really ? in what way? and if so you have the lefties to blame for it.


Maybe its becasue these high school dropouts think they are above performing physical labor...

Botnst 09-09-2005 08:22 PM

Why not compare the differences in response between the folks in MS Gulf Coast with NOLA? I have seen the utter destruction of most of that community with my own eyeballs. Why ain't they *****in' for a hand-out? Why aren't those mayors and councilmen getting all weepy on air? Why doesn't their governor demand somebody else do something?

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boneheaddoctor 09-09-2005 08:24 PM

Good point.....there is 90,000 square miles of destruction but the the leftie news can't seem to report on anyting but New Orleans. Most of the effected don't live in New Orleans.

J. R. B. 09-09-2005 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DieselAddict
and shi*tting everywhere as if they were some animals. Now they still ***** on the floor of the astrodome in Houston even though the restrooms work?

If they want to be animals then treat them like animals. House break them the way I do a new puppy. Rub his nose in it and throw him outside till he cleans himself up. My dogs learn after only one nose rubbing. If these people(?) don't learn then they are even lower than I thought.

Orkrist 09-11-2005 01:58 AM

I lived in NOLA, and found much of it to resemble a third world country. I'm not knocking the city, thats just what I thought. I also worked in and around the Robert Taylor Homes many years ago. Yes, I've been to all the hot spots. I agree with the article. The population left behind was not equipped psychologically to deal with something like that, much less daily life. This is hardly a defense, so please don't misunderstand. To put it bluntly, yes they were total pieces of 5H!T and many probably very low functioning morons who will rape, kill and steal if given opportunies to do so. I had a very bad feeling about who would and would not leave the city after hearing the exacuation orders on the news. Its sad, really.

luvrpgrl 09-11-2005 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MTI
In California, every citizen knows it's not a matter of "if" but "when" the "big one" comes that there'll be beachfront property in Nevada. ;)

Hurricanes, massive destruction, flooding, evacuations, an annual event in the southeast

Now, please tell, when in history has a large chunk of land the size of so cal slipped into the ocean??

Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeasssse

every area has its natural disasters, I will take earthquakes anyday.

luvrpgrl 09-11-2005 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by MTI
Of course that has nothing to do with the fact that our laws make it easier for undocumented aliens to be hired as migrant farm workers, unskilled laborers and other positions than American citizens . . . you know, stuff like taxes, benefits, healthcare, decent working conditions . . . nah, it's because their all lazy . . . yeah, that must be it.

Ive spent the last year and a half building my home. I tried hiring Americans of all races. All they did, except the highly skilled, highly experienced and highly paid ones, was rip me off, demand more money and do sheety work, and not show up on time and quit without notice. Im talking about non skilled guys whom I tried to teach skills to.

GermanStar 09-11-2005 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Orkrist
I lived in NOLA, and found much of it to resemble a third world country. I'm not knocking the city, thats just what I thought. I also worked in and around the Robert Taylor Homes many years ago.

I used to walk into the Robert Taylor Holmes housing project and Cabrini Green solo as part of a summer job when I was still in school. It was truly like entering another world.....

aklim 09-14-2005 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DieselAddict
Like I said in another thread, this disaster makes me ashamed of the USA, not just because of the government's slow response, but mainly the anarchy that erupted in this city. My only comfort comes from assuming and hoping that the rest of the USA is more civilized. After reading this article I really see the main problem as the mentality of a good portion of the people who stayed behind. I was really disgusted when I read about the shooting at rescuers, the rapings, lootings and shi*tting everywhere as if they were some animals. Now they still ***** on the floor of the astrodome in Houston even though the restrooms work over there and some even have sex while being surrounded by 10000 other people. What the hell is wrong with these people?

Go be a citizen of another country then if you are that ashamed. Find some other country you can be proud of. When a situation like this hits, see how proud you can be of your newfound homeland. You will find another set of problems that this place doesn't have and some benifits of being there. Bottom line is this. That place and this place will be run by people. Bad situations bring out the worst in people. Never the good, only the bad. Like the Brooks and Dunn song goes "You can take the girl out of the honkey tonk but you can't take the honkey tonk out of the girl." You can take the person out of the bad situation but you can't take the bad out of the person. Given the right situation, you will find that all we have done is the masking of people's true nature. In every person is a deamon waiting to come out. NOLA has shown that in the right situation, the demon within can exercise it's free will. Go somewhere else then. When a sitiation like this happens there you will find that the bad in them will come out too.

I expect the worst out of people. Hence I don't ask "What is wrong with these people?". In fact, they are behaving better than I expected. As such, I am pleasantly surprised by their behavior. If they had lived down to my expectations, oh well, I saw it coming. Like Shania Twain's song goes "It can only go up from here."

peragro 10-20-2005 02:25 PM

Nice write up of Katrina, post Katrina. Thought it would be a good read for everyone. It points out some very serious mistakes made on the part of the government and the media but shows normal people are able to excel despite the lack of support. (Source; latest issue of National Review)

Katrina: The Untold Story
People rescued tens of thousands of their fellow citizens


LOU DOLINAR

When New Orleans mayor Ray Nagin predicted a Hurricane Katrina death toll of 10,000, some thought he was erring on the low side. Twenty-five thousand body bags were stockpiled; the latest computer model predicted 60,000 dead. Yet weeks after the storm, fewer than 1,000 bodies have been found in all of Louisiana. Which prompts the question: What went right?

The answer is: something massive. Largely ignored by the agenda-driven national media, one of the largest rescue operations in history saved more than 50,000 people by boat and helicopter. In this Dunkirk on the Mississippi, Coast Guard and other military units, volunteers, and state and local first responders delivered thousands from death by drowning, dehydration, heatstroke, fire, starvation, and disease. The three goats of Katrina — FEMA’s Michael Brown, Gov. Kathleen Blanco, and Mayor Nagin — had little if any role; in fact, because local communication was wiped out by the storm, they may not even have known about the scale and success of the rescue operation.

THE RIGHT STUFF
Others did know. Orleans Parish civil sheriff Paul Valteau saw a part of this massive effort close up, when he pulled off the Franklin Ave. interstate exit at 3 p.m. on Monday, August 29, shortly after the storm had passed and levees had broken. “They were screaming and hollering everywhere,” he recalls. Submerged homes and businesses stretched into the distance. Survivors stood on rooftops, water up to their waists and rising. Desperate pounding and shrieking came from attics. One man, a double amputee, clung to a tree as water surged around him. “I saw things I never saw in 23 years as sheriff,” Valteau says. “I saw things I never want to see again.” But he also saw Coast Guard helicopters dodge power lines to winch the endangered to safety. He joined one of the ad hoc rescue crews launching boats from the off-ramp. “We weren’t alone. Hundreds of people who had boats showed up at interstate exits and launched their boats Monday afternoon.”

Meanwhile, at least three dozen helicopters from the Coast Guard and the Louisiana National Guard had already swarmed into the city, tracking right behind the storm and fighting 60 m.p.h. winds. Unlike befuddled city and state officials, the Coast Guard’s man in charge, Rear Admiral Bob Duncan, was literally on top of the situation: He flew in with the first crews, watched the first rescue himself, and spent the day in the air observing and directing operations. “People are most in need right after the storm goes through,” he explains. “When they feel comfortable going up on the roofs of their houses, we hope a big orange helicopter is waiting.”

Absent those early rescues, thousands would in fact have died, in line with the mayor’s prediction. With all communications knocked out, says Sheriff Valteau, “it was a reasonable estimation. . . . The mayor didn’t know what was going on in the field. It was impossible for him to know how many hundreds of citizens were out there saving people.”

It was impossible, as well, for the media, which were getting most of their information from City Hall. What audiences across the country saw as a breakdown of relief efforts was in fact a breakdown of media relations. Instead of marveling at the courage and endurance of rescuers, television spread lurid rumors of near-parodic depravity: gang violence (with AK-47s!), murder (200 slain, stacked, and frozen!), rape (women, children, babies!), sniping at helicopters, and rampage at the Superdome. Mainstream publications have since shown these reports to be false; since most of what the media did report was dead wrong, no one should be surprised that there was a parallel failure to report what went right.

On this score, the biggest lie — worse than the urban legends haunting the Superdome — was that help was slow to arrive. Rescuers say that on Monday, when the levees failed and water surged through the city, they saved thousands who were in danger of drowning — and that they simply could not have arrived any sooner. Not enough resources? Admiral Duncan says one of his biggest problems was that so many helicopters were operating, they risked crashing into one another.

As yet, there is no official hard count of how many were saved, nor has any central authority spoon-fed definitive numbers to the media. But clearly, success left a deep statistical footprint. The Washington Post, in a poll of survivors who relocated to Houston after staying through the storm, said 40 percent — roughly 40,000 to 50,000 people, if the sample is representative — reported that they had been rescued by the Coast Guard, Air National Guard units, or local police and firemen in boats.

The Coast Guard — a branch of the much-maligned Homeland Security Department — was far and away the main player. It claimed more than 24,000 rescues, and evacuated another 9,000 from hospitals and nursing homes. The Coasties got there first with the most — 16 search-and-rescue helicopters. Equipped with night-vision gear and hoists, these first units, joined by many more, ran 24 hours a day, every day, for a week. Preliminary reports showed that on Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday, the Coast Guard rescued 3,000 to 5,000 people from rooftops. The operation grew to hundreds of boats and 50 helicopters. Even barges were commandeered to load hundreds of survivors at a time who were stranded on broken levees.

According to Coast Guard Lt. Chris Huberty, who flew a Dolphin chopper on the night shift almost from the beginning, another reason relatively few lives were lost was that crews carefully selected who was brought to safety first. “We’d put a rescue swimmer down to determine who needed to be taken away,” he recalls. “I’d see three women, all healthy adults, and a guy in a wheelchair who was a diabetic; I’d say he needs insulin, let’s get him out of here first. The others might have to wait.” He says that by setting these priorities, the Coast Guard teams were able to get “a pretty good handle” on the stranded sick, injured, and elderly in just a couple of days.

Huberty deeply resents TV’s characterization of the black residents of New Orleans. “As many bad stories as you hear about looting, there were plenty of people sacrificing for others, regardless of their demographic. I can’t tell you how many times a man would stay behind an extra day or two on the roof and let his wife and kids go first. It broke my heart. We’d go to an apartment building and you’d see that someone was in charge, organizing the survivors. We’d tell him, ‘We can only take five,’ and they’d sort out the worst cases. It happened many times that the guy in charge was the last to leave.”


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