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Botnst · #31 09-13-2005, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mplafleur

I've never seen that as FEMA's responsibility. First response, rescue and care is local and state responsibility. The National guard is called up by the Governor, right?

Didn't it take FEMA a month to get set up in Florida after hurricane Andrew?

Yes, yes, yes and it cost Bush I the election. Winning that election and using Bush I's lackluster performance against him was incentive for Bill Clinton to vastly upgrade FEMA from being essentially a check-writing entity to being a disaster response coordinating entity.

Congress and the president, acting on the public's demand for a new department of homeland security (anybody remember how forcefully and vociferously the minority party pushed for it?) resulted in dissection of many agencies from otehr departments into the new department. By definition, that's a downgrade for FEMA. Everybody in elected gov bought into that idea and now they're running from it like sheep. Anybody else as unsurprised by that inconsistency as I am? Congress, what a buncha weenies. Their approval rating is even worse than Bush's. And deservedly so.

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MTI · #32 09-13-2005, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mplafleur

Didn't it take FEMA a month to get set up in Florida after hurricane Andrew?

FEMA's response time in hurricanes Andrew (Aug '92) and Hugo ('90) were criticized at the time of those events as well. This was during the reign of Bush, the first. The "Read My Lips" President had selected Wallace Stickney, formerly the head of New Hampshire's Department of Transportation, as FEMA chief. Stickney's qualification? Could it be that he was a close friend and former next door neighbor of Chief of Staff John Sununu?

There was a 72 hour delay in FEMA's response, part of which was due to FL governor, Chile's inaction in calling for federal aid, but even when FEMA arrived, it was promptly overwhelmed by the scope of the need. South Carolina Sen. Ernest Hollings called the FEMA response, "the sorriest bunch of bureaucratic jackasses I've ever known."

Walrus · #33 09-13-2005, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MTI

The president of Ford could be charged and tried for manslaughter via reckless indifference (criminal negligence) in many jurisdictions.

Precisely... And in this case, the president of NO is the mayor, not the POTUS!

MTI · #34 09-14-2005, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Walrus

Precisely... And in this case, the president of NO is the mayor, not the POTUS!

. . . and idiot that appointed the the former boss of FEMA is . . . wait for it . . .

cmac2012 · #35 09-14-2005, 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Yes, yes, yes and it cost Bush I the election. Winning that election and using Bush I's lackluster performance against him was incentive for Bill Clinton to vastly upgrade FEMA from being essentially a check-writing entity to being a disaster response coordinating entity.

In the photo I saw of Bushes 41 and 43 plus Clinton when they made the announcement that H.W. and Bill were going to reprieve their sunami effort, I could'a swoar I saw 41 looking at 43 with some borderline anger.

Sort of a:

"So, consult with your 'higher' father, huh? Ol' 41 doesn't know squat, is that it? Well I sure as hell knew that you don't give the look of a slow response after a hurricane!"

mplafleur · #36 09-14-2005, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by MTI

FEMA's response time in hurricanes Andrew (Aug '92) and Hugo ('90) were criticized at the time of those events as well. This was during the reign of Bush, the first. The "Read My Lips" President had selected Wallace Stickney, formerly the head of New Hampshire's Department of Transportation, as FEMA chief. Stickney's qualification? Could it be that he was a close friend and former next door neighbor of Chief of Staff John Sununu?

There was a 72 hour delay in FEMA's response, part of which was due to FL governor, Chile's inaction in calling for federal aid, but even when FEMA arrived, it was promptly overwhelmed by the scope of the need. South Carolina Sen. Ernest Hollings called the FEMA response, "the sorriest bunch of bureaucratic jackasses I've ever known."

You have quite a memory. I don't recall a fuss. Maybe it wasn't enough that I noticed it.

IMHO, FEMA doesn't need to do any more than it's original task of writing checks. The buck stops at the state level for everything else. The exception I see is the Army Corps of Engineers.

mplafleur · #37 09-14-2005, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Yes, yes, yes and it cost Bush I the election. Winning that election and using Bush I's lackluster performance against him was incentive for Bill Clinton to vastly upgrade FEMA from being essentially a check-writing entity to being a disaster response coordinating entity. B

Bush I wouldn't have won the election even if he personally gave everyone hurt by Andrew a million dollars and fed and watered them.

Hell, I didn't even vote for the guy. I voted for Brown, the libertarian, as I did in '96 too. (Or was that when I voted for Perot?)

boneheaddoctor · #38 09-14-2005, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MTI

BHD, the liberals haven't been able to coordinate a candidate's campaign, let alone a "smear campaign, to save their lives . . . perhaps the true brains behind this mischief is from the inside . . . hmmm . . .

DO you ever look at newspapers? or the news......? If you do how can you make that statement and keep a straight face.....oh thats right..we can't see you smile when you make such outrageous comments...

THey coordinate their candidates campaign well.....its just that they choose idiots to be the candidate and they lose as a result.

If they wanted to be serious they would have run Lieberman, that man has integrity..and even though he is a democrat I respect him..the DNC will never run him becasue he's a Jew and we all know the DNC hates the Jews.

tosbt · #39 09-14-2005, 08:26 AM

If i had know that I would have been called a raceist after the Hurracane I would have saved the money I sent to Salley Ann and the Red Cross. The race card is being played by the Demo's where they can get back in power and then to BIG GOV. money..............again. Look at the rows and rows of yellow school buses. Who was in charge of them? Leadership requires inovation tell the cops to get in the busess and get the people out of town, to hell with looters. In the whole city of NO, don't you think you could have 100 people who could drive a bus? Look at the Gov., She stopped the Red Cross from sending supplies to the thousands at the Super Dome, did anyone die on that day!? Shame on the lack of local leadership. .......................and shame of FEMA...the truth will come out of this mess and the mayor should be held responsable likely will not happen the demo's will come to his aid and use the race card in his defense.

Botnst · #40 09-14-2005, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

In the photo I saw of Bushes 41 and 43 plus Clinton when they made the announcement that H.W. and Bill were going to reprieve their sunami effort, I could'a swoar I saw 41 looking at 43 with some borderline anger.

Sort of a:

"So, consult with your 'higher' father, huh? Ol' 41 doesn't know squat, is that it? Well I sure as hell knew that you don't give the look of a slow response after a hurricane!"

(Note to GHWB: Engage foil to prevent mindreading)

GermanStar · #41 09-14-2005, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Yes, yes, yes and it cost Bush I the election.

Read my lips!!!

A264172 · #42 09-14-2005, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by tosbt

If i had know that I would have been called a raceist after the Hurracane I would have saved the money I sent to Salley Ann and the Red Cross. The race card is being played by the Demo's where they can get back in power and then to BIG GOV. money..............again. Look at the rows and rows of yellow school buses. Who was in charge of them? Leadership requires inovation tell the cops to get in the busess and get the people out of town, to hell with looters. In the whole city of NO, don't you think you could have 100 people who could drive a bus? Look at the Gov., She stopped the Red Cross from sending supplies to the thousands at the Super Dome, did anyone die on that day!? Shame on the lack of local leadership. .......................and shame of FEMA...the truth will come out of this mess and the mayor should be held responsable likely will not happen the demo's will come to his aid and use the race card in his defense.

Wether the mayor is to blame or the guy who is supposed to 'protect america', The city of NOLA shure did run as fast as they could and tramppel each other on the way out... except for that guy who is still in the French quarter with 3 months supply of food & water... he stayed.

boneheaddoctor · #43 09-14-2005, 08:05 PM

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Wether the mayor is to blame or the guy who is supposed to 'protect america', The city of NOLA shure did run as fast as they could and tramppel each other on the way out... except for that guy who is still in the French quarter with 3 months supply of food & water... he stayed.

Heres a question....

People are told to leave.....they refuse....

If there is no legal standing to force them to leave and they stay and get hurt or drown...

Who gets blamed for it? And would they legally be barred from sueing?

A264172 · #44 09-14-2005, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor

Heres a question....

People are told to leave.....they refuse....

If there is no legal standing to force them to leave and they stay and get hurt or drown...

Who gets blamed for it? And would they legally be barred from sueing?

Unfortunately I think they could try to sue whomever they wish... No judge would let it stand and go to trial though unless the 'mayor' or somebody else was required by law to do something specific that they didn't do. Or if it could be proved that 'they' maliciously prevented their departure.

Unlike NYC where people,.. policemen (in NOLA defected), Ironworkers (left town), and the remaining living firemen (where nowhere to be seen [on TV]) all raced to the scene to help save who could be saved, the world just sat back in horror for ?? hours while people who needed help didn't get it.

If this was a battle - we lost.

The general had no plan, the battlefield commander had no plan, the lieuteaint had no plan and the troops bugged out. And now the troops are scattered across the nation not sure if they are required or willing to go back to the battlefield.

A264172 · #45 09-14-2005, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by GottaDiesel

The president is top-of-the-food chain. The buck stops at HIM!

Hey Gotta.,
When you read a thread posted by an 'ignored' entity. Do you have to wait for someone to respond or do you just 'un-ignore' that person constantly?