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glenmore 10-20-2005 01:54 AM

Judge in Spain orders 3 GIs arrested
 
Why the US wants no part of the International Criminal Court, no part of Kyoto, and no foreign law influence on our legal system.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/world/3404601

MADRID, SPAIN - A judge has issued an international arrest warrant for three U.S. soldiers whose tank fired on a Baghdad hotel during the Iraq war, killing a Spanish journalist and a Ukrainian cameraman, a court official said Wednesday.


glenmore

neanderthal 10-20-2005 03:31 AM

so youre saying the US soldiers should face no criminal actions for any misdeeds in a war situation? even firing on a hotle full of civilians and killing three of them?

how about rape? murder? human rights abuses?

wbain5280 10-20-2005 05:54 AM

Spain has to be able to extradite the 3 GI's to Spain. Good luck on that. No US Court, except maybe the 9th Circuit, would ever allow that.

boneheaddoctor 10-20-2005 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by glenmore
Why the US wants no part of the International Criminal Court, no part of Kyoto, and no foreign law influence on our legal system.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/world/3404601

MADRID, SPAIN - A judge has issued an international arrest warrant for three U.S. soldiers whose tank fired on a Baghdad hotel during the Iraq war, killing a Spanish journalist and a Ukrainian cameraman, a court official said Wednesday.


glenmore

What the hell were journalists doing in a war zone......I mean Duh! its a war there is shooting......hang around and you could die....don't cry about it.....they knew the risks of being there.

glenmore 10-20-2005 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by neanderthal
so youre saying the US soldiers should face no criminal actions for any misdeeds in a war situation? even firing on a hotle full of civilians and killing three of them?

how about rape? murder? human rights abuses?

Nice leap to a wrong conclusion.

The point is a foreign court expressing jurisdiction over US citizens.

The US military and the US government is responsible for punishing war crimes commited by its soldiers.

Background here where Belgium tried the same thing and backed down when Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld threatened to remove NATO headquarters from Brussels.

http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/War_Crimes_Law_(Belgium)


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glenmore 10-20-2005 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by wbain5280
Spain has to be able to extradite the 3 GI's to Spain. Good luck on that. No US Court, except maybe the 9th Circuit, would ever allow that.

How about if any one of these soldiers wants to vacation in Spain or any EU country for that matter?

glenmore

GermanStar 10-20-2005 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glenmore
Nice leap to a wrong conclusion.

The point is a foreign court expressing jurisdiction over US citizens.

The US military and the US government is responsible for punishing war crimes commited by its soldiers.

Background here where Belgium tried the same thing and backed down when Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld threatened to remove NATO headquarters from Brussels.

http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/War_Crimes_Law_(Belgium)


glenmore

I agree -- this is just silly. They might have a leg to stand on had an incident actually occurred on Spanish soil.

t walgamuth 10-20-2005 02:25 PM

did the
 
soldiers receive any discipline from our army?

tom w

peragro 10-20-2005 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth
soldiers receive any discipline from our army?

tom w

The article states that the US soldiers were being fired upon from the hotel. Although it is possible, I seriously doubt that US Army soldiers would purposly target and kill foreign journalists without a legal reason to do so (i.e. within the rules of engagement). Of course, in war, if you are to the point of being fired upon it is immaterial who it is that's doing the firing - your job is to stop it.

boneheaddoctor 10-20-2005 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by peragro
The article states that the US soldiers were being fired upon from the hotel. Although it is possible, I seriously doubt that US Army soldiers would purposly target and kill foreign journalists without a legal reason to do so (i.e. within the rules of engagement). Of course, in war, if you are to the point of being fired upon it is immaterial who it is that's doing the firing - your job is to stop it.

I agree with you 100% ...someone is shooting at me from a hotel, I'm not going to the front desk ans ask them who resides in roon # such and such....if its terrorists or if its journalists....

You run to a war zone....you risk being shot.....every clown who goes there knows that.

junqueyardjim 10-20-2005 02:57 PM

I'd say
 
Flip Spain a birdie!

glenmore 10-20-2005 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by t walgamuth
soldiers receive any discipline from our army?

tom w

Doesn't appear to be anything official yet. No doubt their careers are probably at a dead end.

Here is a pretty detailed account of that day:

http://www.cpj.org/Briefings/2003/palestine_hotel/palestine_hotel.html

glenmore

neanderthal 10-20-2005 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glenmore
Nice leap to a wrong conclusion.

The point is a foreign court expressing jurisdiction over US citizens.

The US military and the US government is responsible for punishing war crimes commited by its soldiers.

Background here where Belgium tried the same thing and backed down when Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld threatened to remove NATO headquarters from Brussels.

http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/War_Crimes_Law_(Belgium)


glenmore


poorly worded riposte.

if the soldeirs comitted a crime in any country, that country has jurisdiction over them. period. so, just like that kid who was keying cars in singapore was sentenced to be caned, these soldiers are subject to the laws of that land.

peragro 10-20-2005 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neanderthal
poorly worded riposte.

if the soldeirs comitted a crime in any country, that country has jurisdiction over them. period. so, just like that kid who was keying cars in singapore was sentenced to be caned, these soldiers are subject to the laws of that land.

A spanish law has jurisdiction in Iraq???? :confused:

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