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Eugenics,a moral dilemma.
How the hell do you judge something like this?
vFamily: S.F. Mother Made Threats Before By LISA LEFF, Associated Press Writer 2 hours, 17 minutes ago SAN FRANCISCO - The woman charged with tossing her three sons into San Francisco Bay has been battling schizophrenia and once said she was going to feed the boys to the sharks, family members said. ADVERTISEMENT [-71725] Lashuan Harris, 23, was charged with three counts of murder Thursday while anguished relatives kept vigil and rescuers combed the chilly water for the bodies of two of the young victims. Harris was being held in a hospital jail ward and was scheduled to be arraigned Friday. Family members said Harris, who had been was hospitalized twice this year and had received outpatient psychiatric treatment, had made threats before. An aunt told the San Francisco Chronicle the threats had prompted the woman's mother to contact authorities, but others said they didn't think Harris would actually kill her children. "She told my mama she was going to feed them to the sharks," said Britney Fitzpatrick, Harris' 16-year-old half sister. "No one thought it was that serious." According to a police report, the 23-year-old Harris was heeding voices in her head when she went to San Francisco and dropped her children off a pier into the chilly water Wednesday night. The former nurse's assistant had been living with her boys in a Salvation Army homeless shelter since September. The body of Harris' middle child, Taronta Greeley, 2, was recovered late Wednesday near the St. Francis Yacht Club, about two miles from Pier 7. The other two boys — Treyshun Harris, 6 and Joshoa Greeley, 16 months — remained missing, but were presumed dead after so many hours in water with a swift current and temperatures in the low 50s. The U.S. Coast Guard called off its search Thursday afternoon, but the San Francisco police and fire departments continued to scour the bay until after dark. Demarcus Harris, Lashuan Harris' cousin, said the last time he saw her was Tuesday at his sister's house in Oakland and the boys were with her. When his cousin left, she said goodbye and "I'm going to miss y'all." He said neither he nor his sister suspected what she would do the next day. "We all thought she was just going home," he said. Harris was hospitalized in January at the John George Psychiatric Pavilion in San Leandro and her mother was briefly granted custody of the boys, according to her older sister, Telicia Harris, 26. Alameda County social service workers concluded after the first hospital stay that Lashuan was fit to care for her sons, Telicia Harris said. Lashuan Harris' aunt, Joyce Harris, told the Chronicle for Friday's editions that Lashuan's mother had contacted social services officials about three months ago to seek partial custody of the children. She made the request because Harris had stopped taking medication for schizophrenia and had made threats regarding the boys, the paper reported. "They said she was sane, that they couldn't do anything," Joyce Harris told the newspaper. Sylvia Soublet, a spokeswoman for the Alameda County Social Services Agency, told the Chronicle she could not discuss whether the family had contacted her agency about gaining custody. Harris told investigators she had taken the anti-psychotic drug Haldol to control her schizophrenia but stopped when she got her symptoms under control over the summer, according to the police report. But she said the voices returned Tuesday night and were still with her when she put her children into the water, according to the report. Asked why she didn't seek help from a doctor on Wednesday, Harris said she didn't know but thought the clinics would be closed. "Lashuan is very protective of the children and I think one of the reasons Lashuan stopped taking her medication was for fear of losing her three children," an uncle, Avery Garrett, told NBC's "Today" show Friday. ___
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Put her down before she breeds again. Gotta weed the gene pool.
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It sounds like that mother was completely insane, and therefore unjudgable for the act itself, beyond her terrible decision to stop taking her medication. I wonder if it was partially a matter of being unable to afford the medication, or being unable to get to a doctor to maintain the prescription. Remember, she was living in a shelter with three very young kids. She'll undoubtedly be imprisoned or institutionalized for the rest of her life, which is fitting in my opinion, and therefore is already out of the gene pool.
The people I really wonder about are the other family members; the cousin who had noted insane behavior (the family knew the mother was exhibiting paranoid behavior, barricading herself inside her apartment at the time, etc) and did nothing about it; the absent father who must have known about the mother's problems but still wasn't around trying to take care of those kids, etc. Think about those kids living with their mother in a Salvation Army shelter while various cousins and aunts are living in 'normal' homes. The mother is on her own, but I think extended family had a higher responsibility to watch out for the welfare of those kids, especially considering the mental state of the mother. Last edited by benzene; 10-21-2005 at 02:42 PM. |
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Since we acknowledge the woman's lack of responsibility do we hold her equally useless extended family culpable for ignoring the threat and possible danger her behavior implied?
Or does the government or any agency whatsoever have the right to protect others,and by implication herself, by putting her away or resorting to more drastic measures? Compassion is all well and good but what we have here seems to be putting a moral lock on the stable after the horse was stolen.
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This story doesn't seem to be much different from a certain Texas mother that drowned her children in a bathtub. Bad things happen in the world. Given the improvements in communications, we are exposed to more bad things every hour than at any other time during human history.
Personally, I think the "bigger story" is the failure of bystanders to intervene. That's the real story. |
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She just needed an exorcism.
Too much time spent worrying about the Avian flu. I don't know about other folks but around here when people start talking about killing other people we take it pretty seriously. Maybe it's different when it comes from some crazy chick living in a homeless shelter. People get numbed to these kind of threats; they adopt some kind of "she's always crying wolf" attitude.
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as an aside, what she did isn't eugenics, but the suggestions of putting her down are |
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I would think that, in the better managed societies of the past, she would not have been allowed to marry. If she had been married and had said that she was going to "feed the children to the sharks" she would have been slapped or beaten, and after the crime, she would be burned alive or some such similar.
I don't think that this treatment would have made her life worse in those days than it is today... as today it is surely worst.
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Fact is, nobody gave a ****. Sensitivity my ass.
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Worked for a criminal defense guy when in law school and he had one of those cases, watched probably about 10 hours of tapes with kids and the children's advocate, pretty offensive stuff watching a kid go from "no daddy never touched me there" to "he did it" after having the question repeated dozens of times until they get the right answer. |
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