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Ra_ · #16 12-02-2005, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor

Like I said the Boy who dried wolf ...

mmmmmm..... wolf jerky.

I think both 'camps' obviously twist anything that they can, to fit their agendas.

My views often offend both sides.
For example, I am in favor of allowing the oil companies to drill in Anwar.
On the other hand, I am for severe penalties for the companies
that have turned many of the rivers in this country to filth.

I wish the environmentalists would focus more on things that actually affect us,
instead of some wasteland that 99.9% of us will never see.

I believe that with any problem in the environment,
there will always be plenty of experts ready to testify that everything is absolutely fine.
We saw this at Love Canal.

Azimyth · #17 12-02-2005, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by GermanStar

Gort.

tlatl

boneheaddoctor · #18 12-02-2005, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Ra_

mmmmmm..... wolf jerky.

I think both 'camps' obviously twist anything that they can, to fit their agendas.

My views often offend both sides.
For example, I am in favor of allowing the oil companies to drill in Anwar.
On the other hand, I am for severe penalties for the companies
that have turned many of the rivers in this country to filth.

I wish the environmentalists would focus more on things that actually affect us,
instead of some wasteland that 99.9% of us will never see.

I believe that with any problem in the environment,
there will always be plenty of experts ready to testify that everything is absolutely fine.
We saw this at Love Canal.

I have no problemns with the Common sense stuff....just the over the top stuff you see frequently on the left coast...

Funny how some will wave one study as proof positive....what historical records do they have to consult to find out what cycles are normal or what variations......

Everything weather related happens in cycles....without long term records how do they know what is normal or not.

Moneypit SEL · #19 12-02-2005, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by crash9

If I've got it right, the article is saying that warming melts the polar regions and adds more fresh water and doesn't allow the Gulf Stream to sink in the north as fast. This intern slows the current that warms Europe. What I'm trying to find out is if it is really happening to the degree they're talking about.

It would then seem to me that such a system is self-regulating. Warmer temperatures = more polar ice melting = reduced gulf stream = colder temperatures = less ice melting = more gulf stream = warmer temperatures etc.

I don't doubt that global warming is happening. What I DO doubt is mankind's ability to have an effect on such a change that would be noticeable when compared to natural causes.

boneheaddoctor · #20 12-02-2005, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Moneypit SEL

It would then seem to me that such a system is self-regulating. Warmer temperatures = more polar ice melting = reduced gulf stream = colder temperatures = less ice melting = more gulf stream = warmer temperatures etc.

I don't doubt that global warming is happening. What I DO doubt is mankind's ability to have an effect on such a change that would be noticeable when compared to natural causes.

You haven't heard...we are responsible for Volcanic activity....we haven't been tossing enough virgins to the god of fire.....

crash9 · #21 12-02-2005, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Moneypit SEL

It would then seem to me that such a system is self-regulating. Warmer temperatures = more polar ice melting = reduced gulf stream = colder temperatures = less ice melting = more gulf stream = warmer temperatures etc.

I don't doubt that global warming is happening. What I DO doubt is mankind's ability to have an effect on such a change that would be noticeable when compared to natural causes.

Oh yeh - that's right, but air pollution might be giving a boost to the cycle. What I'm still unclear on is this 30% slowing a real fact - if so, trying to do anything now would be like trying to hold back a steamship with a string.

boneheaddoctor · #22 12-02-2005, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by crash9

Oh yeh - that's right, but air pollution might be giving a boost to the cycle. What I'm still unclear on is this 30% slowing a real fact - if so, trying to do anything now would be like trying to hold back a steamship with a string.

One Volcanic Eruption dumps MORE CO2 and greenhouse gasses into the atmoshpere than everything man has ever contributed.....

I think they are blaming the wrong source for it.

#23 12-02-2005, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor

One Volcanic Eruption dumps MORE CO2 and greenhouse gasses into the atmoshpere than everything man has ever contributed.....

I think they are blaming the wrong source for it.

Face it, mankind's evolution, excuse me, you don't believe in that, mankind's, or ah, Gods kind, isn't responsible, so it must be just cyclic and not to worry!

Hell, all you tree hugers are just waisting your energy!

Larry Delor · #24 12-02-2005, 09:11 PM

Air pollution....

Particulate pollution would decrease the amount of sunlight reaching the earth, and thereby have a cooling effect, so to speak.

Diesels emit less CO2 and more particulates - the opposite is true for gassers. So, if we are to at least slow down global warming, we need to keep our diesels running as long as possible!

boneheaddoctor · #25 12-02-2005, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BusyBenz

Face it, mankind's evolution, excuse me, you don't believe in that, mankind's, or ah, Gods kind, isn't responsible, so it must be just cyclic and not to worry!

Hell, all you tree hugers are just waisting your energy!

So you are arguing volcanos are not major sources of greenhouse gasses....damn...the scientic community will be shocked to hear that one.

And climate is Cyclic......thats clear from just the last 150 years of temprature records.

mikemover · #26 12-02-2005, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GermanStar

Our understanding of the workings of Earth's planetary core is startlingly vague. Without that basic grasp of our foundation, how can we do anything but speculate about global surface events?

Exactly. We haven't even begun to scratch the surface of understanding planetary long-term weather patterns, atmospheric changes, magnetic shifts, ocean current cycles, solar system-wide gravitational shifts and variations, etc.....

ANYONE, scientist or otherwise, who claims to have an authoritative grasp on any of this stuff is full of $h!t.

Mike

waybomb · #27 12-02-2005, 09:59 PM

OK, climate change, ice ages, dinasaurs dying off, Darwinism, ecofanatics, polluters, none of it really affects me.

I just want to know why they call it EARTH, when it is really more OCEAN? That's what I want to know.

GermanStar · #28 12-02-2005, 10:13 PM

Cause oceanquake just doesn't sound right...

compress ignite · #29 12-02-2005, 11:39 PM

Crash9,

CONSULT with your local (U.S.) National Weather Service facility . They wiil
have RECORDS and usually a very savy Meterologist/Historian who can put
ALL of the incorrect urban legends in perspective.

TO ANSWER YOUR INQUIRY IMPLIED/STATED : My Irish cousins had better
invest more in Wind/Solar technology to keep warm during the WINTER.

Moneypit SEL · #30 12-03-2005, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by crash9

Oh yeh - that's right, but air pollution might be giving a boost to the cycle. What I'm still unclear on is this 30% slowing a real fact - if so, trying to do anything now would be like trying to hold back a steamship with a string.

Regardless of the alleged cause, it must explain how to warm the north pole to melt the icecap, while simultaneously freezing Europe.

Personally, I believe that the earth's climate and weather patterns are cyclic in nature, and are barely understood. Further, they are far beyond mankind's ability to help or hinder in any meaningful way.