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hdexpert · #16 12-06-2005, 12:19 PM

eskimo, I was speaking of personal conversations I have had with people where the topic of religion has come up and I stated my position. I was not speaking in general terms.

A264172 · #17 12-06-2005, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Carleton Hughes

Do you really,REALLY want a dissertation on this subject?

And why the assumption of agnosticism for those you wish to query?

You have been warned.......

Very vatic, ...

aklim · #18 12-06-2005, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by eskimo

I'd be lying if I were to claim that it had nothing to do with access to affordable health care for my wife. Add to that access to affordable health care for an (at that time) unconceived child that we wished to have, and for the pregnancy that would be associated with such a child.

My hat's off to Germany, where a civil ceremony is officially required and solely sufficient. Have whatever church ceremony you like (or not), believe what you want about it, but the civil ceremony is what makes for marriage in the eyes of the state. If marriage is to have an official standing, then I think that's not a bad way to go about it.

The benifits are enticing and it is not worth bucking the trend otherwise you end up cutting the nose to spite the face.

Not sure what you mean here. We had a civil ceremony performed by some Justice of the Peace and it is as valid as a church marriage.

aklim · #19 12-06-2005, 01:06 PM

I would assume that if you went to a church and tried to get married and told them you were agnostic or athiestic, you would get a "Why then?" from the clergy person. Since you don't believe in the religion, why would you want to get married in a place of worship for that religion? That all makes sense. Civil Unions are basically the same thing tho. I don't see the difference except you don't get to spend as much money on the marriage and more on the honeymoon.

Eskimo · #20 12-06-2005, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Not sure what you mean here. We had a civil ceremony performed by some Justice of the Peace and it is as valid as a church marriage.

What I was pointing out was that in Germany, the civil ceremony is not "just as valid" as a church ceremony. In the eyes of the state, the civil ceremony is the only valid ceremony.

Botnst · #21 12-06-2005, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by eskimo

I'd be lying if I were to claim that it had nothing to do with access to affordable health care for my wife. Add to that access to affordable health care for an (at that time) unconceived child that we wished to have, and for the pregnancy that would be associated with such a child.

More than that, it was a public declaration of our commitment to make our lives together. That meant something to us, to our families, and to the larger community.

My hat's off to Germany, where a civil ceremony is officially required and solely sufficient. Have whatever church ceremony you like (or not), believe what you want about it, but the civil ceremony is what makes for marriage in the eyes of the state. If marriage is to have an official standing, then I think that's not a bad way to go about it.

As benighted a place as some might believe it to be, my hat's off to Florida, too, to the extent that one can be married by a notary public. We were.

As part of the separation of church and state, every marriage in the USA must be state-sanctioned to be legal. Some states recognize cohabitation as a marriage for some purposes.

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aklim · #22 12-06-2005, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by eskimo

What I was pointing out was that in Germany, the civil ceremony is not "just as valid" as a church ceremony. In the eyes of the state, the civil ceremony is the only valid ceremony.

Don't you have to get a licence here and then bring it to a person of your choice, be it the church or JP? What would the benifit of what Germany does be?

el presidente · #23 12-06-2005, 01:58 PM

Is it REQUIRED to be sworn in as a witness in a court case?

Do you promise to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

http://www.positiveatheism.org/mail/eml8773.htm

H2O2 · #24 12-06-2005, 02:19 PM

We were "married" by a county judge underneath the state capitol dome -- god and his/her/its minions and trappings were deliberately removed from the proceedings. Ours is a legal contractually binding civil union, no more - no less. Superstitious nonsense has no relevant place in the drafting of a legal contract.

davidmash · #25 12-06-2005, 02:27 PM

Got married by a JP because my wife needed health care coverage and for other legal reasons. We were watching some show on marriage and I asked her if anything "changed" from Apr 2nd to Apr 4th (we got married on Apr 3rd) and she said no, nothing changed.

As far as spreading the seed is concerned, given all the cooties out there, I'd prefer to know that where I dip my wick has been sanitized for our protection. Also, I hate dating with passion procuring sex through force is illegal (not to mention not very nice).

Any other questions I can answer for you?

boneheaddoctor · #26 12-06-2005, 02:44 PM

still marriage is a religious based institution regardless of who performs it....

sort of like the aetheists celibrating christmas and trying to justify it......

thats almost funny to watch.

aklim · #27 12-06-2005, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor

still marriage is a religious based institution regardless of who performs it....

sort of like the aetheists celibrating christmas and trying to justify it......

thats almost funny to watch.

How about this. We don't really celebrate it but we do the gift exchange.

davidmash · #28 12-06-2005, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor

still marriage is a religious based institution regardless of who performs it....

sort of like the aetheists celibrating christmas and trying to justify it......

thats almost funny to watch.

Give that there is no alternate to obtaining the legal benifits, we have no choice.

I just like the pretty lights. My wife is catholic, I'm agnostic but the lights are really cool.

raymr · #29 12-06-2005, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by hdexpert

Beleave me, I have spread the seed so many times to so many women that I lost track years ago. I have always thought that church and God was for people that needed to beleave in a higher power for comfort and support. I beleave in me and mine,doing what makes us happy as long as it doesn't affect others. Why is it God fearing folk always want to convert the non-beleavers but we non-beleavers couldn't give a rats behind about converting them to think like us?

I think at least some of you non-believers are trying to create an antiseptic non-believing society. Why are non-believers so disturbed by a public christmas tree or nativity display, or intent on erasing all signs of a religious-based past from monuments and buildings? Couldn't give a rat's ass?

boneheaddoctor · #30 12-06-2005, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

How about this. We don't really celebrate it but we do the gift exchange.

they celibrate festivus......

only strangely on Christmas day.