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davidmash · #**421** 12-24-2005, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Palangi

On the old style dimes (I think up until sometime in the 60's) there was a thing on the back of the dime which looked sort of like a hatchet. It was called a fasce. My spelling may be incorrect, maybe fasche or something like that would be correct, but, anyway, you get the idea. A serious coin collector would know what I'm talking about.

I can't help but find it amuseing. Some of the whackos are going ape5hit over "In God we trust", and they don't realize that there used to be an honest to God fascist symbol on the money.

This is a link to a 1953 dime and the back is the same as it is today. Are you sure you have your facts straight? I did not feel ike going through all the years

http://coins.goantiques.com/search/images.jsp?id=981871

Here is a 1944

Kind of small but I do not see anything like what you describe.

http://coins.goantiques.com/search/images.jsp?id=982017

1942 and 1940 are the same as 1944

Looks like all the Roosevelt dimes are identicle to todays dimes, the Mecruye seems to have preceded Roosevelt and while I cannot quite tell what is on the back, it sure does not look like a Facist symble in the least.

And I still want god off the currency.

Palangi · #**422** 12-24-2005, 09:04 PM

David

That may be it on the back of the Mercury. Detail is not good enough to tell for sure. I have an old coin book which probably shows it, but it will be a few days before I am where the book is.

Send me any God tainted currency you want to get rid of.

GermanStar · #**423** 12-24-2005, 09:12 PM

There does indeed appear to be a hatchet toward the top. No idea in regard to any symbolism, real or implied...

Palangi · #**424** 12-24-2005, 09:18 PM

Yep, that's it. A bunch of rods tied together with a hatchet looking thing sticking out. Apparently it changed sometime between 44 and 53.

GermanStar · #**425** 12-24-2005, 09:30 PM

I believe 1945 was the last year for the Mercury Dime, giving way to the Roosevelt Dime in 1946.

Palangi · #**426** 12-24-2005, 10:10 PM

OK, I'll go with that. I was into coin and stamp collecting when I was a kid, but that was a long time ago. I can remember Mercury dimes being common in circulation, but I haven't seen one in years.

cmac2012 · #**427** 12-25-2005, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Palangi

Yep, that's it. A bunch of rods tied together with a hatchet looking thing sticking out. Apparently it changed sometime between 44 and 53.

Oh, that. That was actually a sickle. The communists that had infiltrated our gubmint didn't think they could get away with putting on a hammer along with it.

**EDIT** I used to collect coins as a kid, and the mercury dime was one of my favorites. I always dug that symbol on the reverse but never was sure what it was.

cmac2012 · #**428** 12-25-2005, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

cmac2012,
I agree there is much self-righteousness among some believers. Almost as much as among some non believers. They are not immune to the self-righteous spirit, as they congradulate themselves on thier "strength".

The mormon church has a lot of good points; the people help each other out quite a lot. It was a pretty good way to grow up, all in all. We had dances for teenagers (16 and up) and young adults, and they were much more enjoyable than our school dances which were weird to me. Sort of a dark, lost energy at those things. Probably a lot of smuggled alcohol, or drinking in the parking lot anyway, and attempted seduction going on there.

As I read JC's words, he wishes to lead us to humility and compassion. Some compassion among Mormons but rather than humility, pride seems to be the norm. Pride in being the only true believers in the eyes of God. Of course, a lot of branches of Christianity are somewhat like that not to mention other religions.

JC said where two or more are gathered in my name..... He didn't say anything about any one exclusive church.

MS Fowler · #**429** 12-25-2005, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

The mormon church has a lot of good points; the people help each other out quite a lot. It was a pretty good way to grow up, all in all. We had dances for teenagers (16 and up) and young adults, and they were much more enjoyable than our school dances which were weird to me. Sort of a dark, lost energy at those things. Probably a lot of smuggled alcohol, or drinking in the parking lot anyway, and attempted seduction going on there.

As I read JC's words, he wishes to lead us to humility and compassion. Some compassion among Mormons but rather than humility, pride seems to be the norm. Pride in being the only true believers in the eyes of God. Of course, a lot of branches of Christianity are somewhat like that not to mention other religions.

JC said where two or more are gathered in my name..... He didn't say anything about any one exclusive church.

Jesus never did found an organized church. But, in addition to the peace, compassion, and humility, He did say some rather extroidinary things--" I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me", and "I and the Father are one". If these were not true than He was an awful liar, or He was crazy. He did not leave us the option of calling Him, simply " a good moral teacher"

cmac2012 · #**430** 12-25-2005, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Jesus never did found an organized church. But, in addition to the peace, compassion, and humility, He did say some rather extroidinary things--" I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me", and "I and the Father are one". If these were not true than He was an awful liar, or He was crazy. He did not leave us the option of calling Him, simply " a good moral teacher"

I heard a biblical scholar the other day on the radio talking about the many differences between various historical transcriptions of the bible. He said it's fairly well agreed that many of the scribes over the years, copying the bible out by hand, made various changes because they thought something was an error or didn't make any sense. He cited numerous examples of discrepancies.

Also, the accounts of Jesus have come through a couple of languages to reach us. What, Aramic to Greek to English? Even so, it's remarkable how powerful the words of JC are. Many of his pronouncements are tailored to comfort the afflicted and to afflict the comfortable, and if there was editorial interference by the powerful, that would not be the case, I would guess.

I heard a Zen teacher explain his understanding of the "I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me," line. He said it is the Christ principle he was referring to, that is the cultivation of of faith and purity so that messages from God can get through the static. Jesus also said, "By their fruits ye shall know them," in Matthew 7, a really great chapter.

If you accept that God is a god of mercy, it doesn't follow to me that he would only allow salvation to those who had heard the words of Christ. That would leave out about 90% of the people who ever lived, I'm guessing, as it wasn't until this century that the bible was made available to very many people outside of Europe and Israel, and European colonies and spin offs as well as the Jewish diaspora. Would God only send prophets to ancient Israel? Isn't it logical that God would send prophets to say, India or China in 500 BC? Guys like Shakyamuni Buddha or Lao Tzu? It is amazing how many of the teachings of those two guys read like a paraphrasing of JC's words.

cmac2012 · #**431** 12-25-2005, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by GermanStar

I've never had an obnoxious atheist show the gall to knock on my front door and attempt to hand me a book.

I was at a hot-tub party in Seattle back in the early 80s. I was digging the power of symbols at the time, I'd read some Carl Jung, and I was wearing a red jade cross and a green jade Star of David. Two aggressive aehtiests, a guy and a lady, took it upon themselves to show me the folly of my ways. At one point in the tub (it was mostly musicians there) they started loudly singing the song, I forget the exact title, but something about, "Let's drink to Judas.... the guy who was the true friend to the working man, etc..." Apparently Judas felt Jesus was not enough of a rebel against Rome, or so one school of thought goes.

Anyway, they sang it long and loud and aggressively. When they were done, I tried to say something like I could relate to that sentiment, and that I could understand why a lot of people were down on organized religion and JC but I could barely get a sentence out w/o being hooted down. Seems the very sound of my words was like strong acid in their ear canals. Funny thing is, I had no intention of even talking about Jesus, I just thought the symbols had historic power and had perhaps been misused.

Some aehtiests and agnostics can be very obnoxious and pushy.

Botnst · #**432** 12-26-2005, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by GermanStar

There does indeed appear to be a hatchet toward the top. No idea in regard to any symbolism, real or implied...

The 'fascists' stole the symbol from the Roman Republic. Similar in intent and method to nazis stealing the whole Aryan thingy. Yes, Aryans were a real people. Yes, the fasces was a real tool of war. Yes, the symbols were co-opted by some pretty awful people. Like the hammer and sickle....

The fasces was a weapon of war used by the early Romans when they defeated competitors and united into a single state. The fasces became a symbol of the states united to form a republic. It lasted for almost a thousand years before Julius Caesar subverted it and created a dictatorship. Like Hitler, the existing powerful establishment thought they could control him.

But Caesar was ambitious. They were all ambitious men.

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MS Fowler · #**433** 12-26-2005, 07:25 AM

Ahhh, But Brutus is an honorable man; they are all honorable men...