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What is the idea behing a kibbutz?
I was checking out the web and it is defined as a "communal settlement".
What is the point? Anyone ever live on one? My israeli friend refers to it often, but he doesn't talk about it much. Thanks
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that word is cool to say ..
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Zionism, the movement behind the foundation of a Jewish homeland (i.e. Israel), was developed in the late 19th/early 20th centuries at the same time that Socialism was a growing movement in Europe. Lots of the early Zionists were Socialists, and for its first 20-30 years Israel's economy was pretty strongly socialist. A Kibbutz figures in with that theme, it's basically similar to a collective farm except that a) the Kibbutzim jointly benefit from the (literal) fruits of their labor instead of shipping it off to Moscow (or Tel Aviv) per your quota, and b) nobody shoots you if you try to leave.
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Never been on a kibbutz , but friends have and loved it....although these days it may be a bit more risky ...with W screwing up the whole f'in world....
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Uhhh, Haven't the Arabs and the Israelis been screwing up that part of the world since before Shrub was born? Just checking......
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I guess, if you want to get technical about it....
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BTW, maybe the idea that Marx was Jewish might have something to do with why it is popular with Jews? Like Rap with black people maybe?
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Hitler hated Marxism for its internationalism before he came to associate internationalist political theory with Jews.
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I don't see a kibbutz as being the same as a Soviet style collective farm.
A kibbutz is a group of people who have banded together (voluntarily, we must assume) for the common good of all the members. This is the essence of true socialism, and is not necessarily a bad thing. For example, the Mercedesshop community is a group of people who have banded together for the common good of the members. A Soviet style collective farm was a group of people, often forced together at gunpoint, who labored for the benefit of the government. The Russkies liked to call it socialism, but, of course, it was completely phony. Both forms had common roots in Eastern Europe, but they evolved in different ways. Unfortunately, the form being pushed by leftists today more closely resembles the phony type.
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Exactly right. They banded together on farms to grow food for one and all, as well as to protect themselves from marauding Arabs at the time. Food and shelter, basically, but the key point is, it was for the good of the members, not the central government.
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it was the "like rap with black people" line that lit the red lite....that's a bit racist, unitentional or not....
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