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Old 12-28-2005, 12:44 AM
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????It's an opinion.

WTF is Primary source material got to do with an opinion???

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????It's an opinion.

WTF is Primary source material got to do with an opinion???
has. WTF has primary source material to do with.......
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Old 12-28-2005, 09:59 AM
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Last time I checked, he was not inside my house. He appeared to be in the street, walking in circles, we don't see what happened afterwards, but no matter the actual circumstaces, you know it's going to be said that he charged one of the officers so they all had to shoot.

At 20' away, a decent marksman could have disabled him, and you have to figure among all of those cops, at least one was above average.

Blow out his knee, I betcha he won't be charging anymore.

Anyone hear of tasers? They've been in the news a lot lately. Rubber bullets?

Poor bastard.

I'd like to hear Mike Tangas chime in on this.
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Old 12-28-2005, 10:11 AM
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Yes they could have disabled him. However, that is always a risk. Madison is having issues about the Taser too. As far as I am concerned, that was a legal shot so why not? Years ago when my father was a practicing vet, he sedated a tiger to do surgery on it. His assistant who was young and way too eager, decided that the tiger was down and prodded it a couple times. Well, good thing for him he prodded the tiger from the other side of the cage because the sedated tiger got up and bit him. There is always a risk so if I would be unwilling to take the risk, how can I ask the cop to take the risk? You wound him and what? You still got to go up to him and disarm him. Dead man is less risky than a wounded man.
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Old 12-28-2005, 10:20 AM
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If the dude attackedanyone, police or civilian, shoot the piss outta him.

If he kept walking around in circles, that does not warrant being shot.

I don't agree with all that obeying an officers orders crap. They're not all right or smart. They do however carry guns.

By your logic, if a cop ordered me to put my hands against the wall and I didn't, should I get shot?

I've actually argued with cops when I was in the right, and they argued back, both of us arms flailing back and forth and have never been threatend to be shot.

I made my point, it was understood and off we went, no tickets issued and no bullets flying either.

SOme cops are more high strung and wound up than others(as are civilians). Without a doubt a group, whether cops or otherwise, are very unpredictable and subject to following the leader, hence the 12-15 shell casings.
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Old 12-28-2005, 10:21 AM
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isnt the NO police force the most corrupt in america
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Old 12-28-2005, 11:06 AM
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If the dude attackedanyone, police or civilian, shoot the piss outta him.

If he kept walking around in circles, that does not warrant being shot.

I don't agree with all that obeying an officers orders crap. They're not all right or smart. They do however carry guns.

By your logic, if a cop ordered me to put my hands against the wall and I didn't, should I get shot?

I've actually argued with cops when I was in the right, and they argued back, both of us arms flailing back and forth and have never been threatend to be shot.

I made my point, it was understood and off we went, no tickets issued and no bullets flying either.

SOme cops are more high strung and wound up than others(as are civilians). Without a doubt a group, whether cops or otherwise, are very unpredictable and subject to following the leader, hence the 12-15 shell casings.
So you want them to continue to be "after the fact"? IOW, someone gets killed, now we go do this, that or the other?

He was walking around in circles WITH A KNIFE!! Is that the act of Joe Public?

And as such, you yield to the guy with higher firepower if you care to live.

Didn't say that, did I? If you are waving a gun or knife and they ask you to drop it and stand against the wall and you refuse to comply, yes. Shoot.

Yes. But in either hand, did you brandish a knife or gun or something resembling a weapon?

Good for you but that was because you didn't threaten, try to bribe or wave a weapon around. Totally different scenario. Like I said, if you come into my house without a weapon and I have a gun in my hand, I would ask you to leave. However, if you are armed and refuse to drop the weapon, I will shoot to kill. If I am unwilling to take the risk that you might be there for coffee, can I ask an officer to take the risk and get himself cut up?
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I saw an interview with the man who shot the video. He had seen this man wondering in the streets for some weeks. Apparently the locals knew him. He had a history of mental illness. You wouldn't have to be too bright to see that the man was not in his right mind

In the late 70's I lived near NOLA and worked in and out of there. At that time NOLA had, and for decades before had had, a reputation as being one of the most corrupt police forces in the country. I came back from 20 years overseas and the newspapers were still talking about how corrupt NOLA police were. They certainly have good role models considering that many of their governors and politicians have been arrested and jailed for corruption.

If the NOLA police don't have the ability to bring a situation like this to a peacefull end then perhaps they should not be trusted with guns. Two men with night sticks should have been able to disarm this guy.
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Old 12-28-2005, 11:36 AM
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I saw an interview with the man who shot the video. He had seen this man wondering in the streets for some weeks. Apparently the locals knew him. He had a history of mental illness. You wouldn't have to be too bright to see that the man was not in his right mind

If the NOLA police don't have the ability to bring a situation like this to a peacefull end then perhaps they should not be trusted with guns. Two men with night sticks should have been able to disarm this guy.
So, we have a whacko with a knife and you want someone to rush this guy and disarm him? I wouldn't. You never know what he could do. If one of those two men you described got killed, what would you say then? "Oh, par for the course."? What if it was your wife who rushed him with daysticks and got killed? Would you feel the same way? An insane man with a kinfe and you want someone to rush him. To what end?
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Old 12-28-2005, 11:37 AM
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Kinda scary that police training only teaches 'shoot to kill' ?

Maybe a K-9 unit could have disabled that guy?
I guess they don't want their dogs getting stabbed either?


We have robots for bombs, I guess we need an 'ass kicking robot',
that they could wheel up to a guy like this and set it a spinning.
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Old 12-28-2005, 11:42 AM
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Kinda scary that police training only teaches 'shoot to kill' ?

Maybe a K-9 unit could have disabled that guy?
I guess they don't want their dogs getting stabbed either?


We have robots for bombs, I guess we need an 'ass kicking robot',
that they could wheel up to a guy like this and set it a spinning.
Robot I can agree with. Dog? Waste of a dog. The guy was either nuts or had a death wish. No loss here. He was damaged goods anyways.
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If two certified policemen who should have years of experience can't disarm one crazy man they perhaps they are too incompetent to be policemen. Maybe they should go to work for some police dept. like, well like NOLA. NOLA pd has a reputation for not only incompetent but currupt. It is no wonder that would choose to shoot an insane person and beat up a black guy on a French Quarter street last month. It is amazing what too much testosterone and male bonding will do.
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Old 12-28-2005, 01:05 PM
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If two certified policemen who should have years of experience can't disarm one crazy man they perhaps they are too incompetent to be policemen. Maybe they should go to work for some police dept. like, well like NOLA. NOLA pd has a reputation for not only incompetent but currupt. It is no wonder that would choose to shoot an insane person and beat up a black guy on a French Quarter street last month. It is amazing what too much testosterone and male bonding will do.

Don't forget a crowd of them!

Dog, taser, flash bang? Rubber bullet? Water Hose?

Or would that be a waste of resources as well?

Just because he was mentally ill, does not make him a waste.
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If two certified policemen who should have years of experience can't disarm one crazy man they perhaps they are too incompetent to be policemen. Maybe they should go to work for some police dept. like, well like NOLA. NOLA pd has a reputation for not only incompetent but currupt. It is no wonder that would choose to shoot an insane person and beat up a black guy on a French Quarter street last month. It is amazing what too much testosterone and male bonding will do.
No one is saying it cannot be done. However, shooting him would be a smaller risk than trying to tackle him. Do you agree or not?
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Don't forget a crowd of them!

Dog, taser, flash bang? Rubber bullet? Water Hose?

Or would that be a waste of resources as well?

Just because he was mentally ill, does not make him a waste.
Higher risk than he is worth.

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