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Old 12-28-2005, 11:14 PM
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carreer dirrection advice

Fair warning, this may be a little bit long. I've been attending UNF for the past 4 years, have accumulated approximated 100 credit hours. My current major is business management with a minor in philosophy, the minor in philosophy will be completed with 1 or 2 more classes. However, the Business management major requires 23 more classes. Thats right, classes, not credit hours. I have also come to the conclusion that i would not be happy with my carreer unless it had to do with cars in some way shape or form. Cars are the only thing that holds my interest, i spend more time researching useless(at least at this point) car information than i do working on my studies. I have found out information on the "viper pit" which is a electronics/high end audio car installation course, offered about an hour away from me in daytona beach, florida. I intend on taking that month long class this summer, assuming i can come up with the 3k for it. I would also like to become ASE certified, as well as learn how to weld. I'm stuck in a hard place at the moment, as i have invested a TON of money and countless hours into this business management degree, but i have no interest in working in corrupt "corperate america". In addition, i can't sit still for more than a half hour, so working with my hands in at least some way is a MUST. Cars truely are the only thing that makes me tick, but i do not want to throw away all of the money and time i have put into my college education, but i fear that putting more money into it would be a waste as its not really what i want to do. In addition, i have no idea what types of degrees the type of job i want looks for. Basically, i want to either make high end cars go fast, look cool, or sound cool. As long as i'm doing one of the above, i will be happy. I'm also no longer set on "getting rich", as i realize that if i love my job i'll be happy with whatever money it makes me. My current automotive background consists of installing a basic stereo/amp/sub system nicely, and i can do basically all normal maintenance on a car. The only thing i wouldn't feel comfortable taclking myself is rebuilding the motor or replacing the clutch, and those are simply because i have never done it.I do not, however, want to be a "grease monkey"(and i honestly appologize if anyone takes offense to that term), in other words i dont want to be doing oil changes and brake work to make a living. Like i said earlier, i want to make cars go fast, look cool, and sound great, how on earth do i accomplish this?? thanks for your help,
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Old 12-29-2005, 12:10 AM
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Howdy Ryan,
Have you checked United Technical Institute?¿
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Old 12-29-2005, 12:34 AM
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1) Learn to spell career and other useful words......(-:

2) There are 200 more times as mant germs in the average office than there are on a public toilet seat. So you have the right idea.

Seriously; you put alot of $$$ someones into education so try to use it sometime; Do what you enjoy with cars , strive to oneday own your own business (es).
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Old 12-29-2005, 01:18 AM
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yeah career is the correct spelling, i actually wondered that when i was posting. However, before you criticize my spelling at least take a look at your own post. Please only usefull info only, not trying to be a dick but i fail to see how you provide me usefull information. If no one has usefull information that is alright, however i am not looking for bull**** answers. I posted here due to the high interest in automobiles and the high level of education that follows a mercedes board. I do not have near the level of expertise that opening my own automotive business would require, and although one day that may be a goal(although very distant), i still need to know how to aquire the knowledge and experiance necessary. Thanks,
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Old 12-29-2005, 01:41 AM
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If you want to work in the automotive industry you might want to consider getting a degree in mechanical engineering. An engineering degree would allow you
to go into many different directions within the automotive biz. Just a thought.
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Old 12-29-2005, 01:43 AM
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I understand exactly what you're going through. I want to be a doctor and I (not bragging) that I have what it takes to make it. I'm just not sure if I'm doing it for the right reasons. I too love to work on cars but not enough to want to do it for a living. My things that I'd rather do is along the astronomy/pilot lines. I would love to become a research astronomer and I devour magazines related to those fields in my free time when I'm not tinkering on the car. I've racked up about five hours flight time and plan to get more when I can afford it. For now I'm telling myself that if I become a doctor I can have the money to buy the toys for my hobbies but what it really boils down to is that I'm afraid to take risks. I'd say go with what feels right to you. Yeah you may have invested tons of time and money in college but if that's going to lead you to a futur that'll make you unhappy, I'd say its a pretty easy choice. I say that but I can't even do it myself. Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss you'll land among stars.
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Old 12-29-2005, 01:45 AM
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A college degree will never hurt you in the real world no matter what you decide to do with your life.

Working a job you love is much better than working a job you don’t like (duh)

Back in the dark ages I put myself through college and got a physics degree with a minor in chemistry from UTA. Imagine my surprise when I discovered that a senior grade physicist made about half the money I made as a Porsche/Ferrari mechanic

I jumped on the NIASE tests in the early 1970s and got all the factory training I could. Think seriously about serving some time at a dealership. It’s a good way to learn basics and then the more complicated procedures. I have probably made more money from doing transmissions/transaxles than from anything else. For 16 years I owned PorschaSports and we did nothing but build and maintain “street rockets” for high end clients. It was fun, except for dealing with the public.

If I had it to do over again I would major in business with minors in chemistry and psychology. Taking golf as a sport in high school is also a very wise move. Lots of business contacts are made on the links.

The most highly paid “grease monkey” in today’s shops are the fellows who use the diagnostic scanners. A smog license is also a must in those States that require inspections.
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Old 12-29-2005, 08:31 AM
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Whether it's business or auto related, you will be required to conform to some standards. If you don't then, assuming that you are an employee, you will be fired, or if your resume reads like your post, then you will never be hired.

Your post would be ok for someone that dropped out of high school, but you are in college! Here are a few things for you to seriously think about.

1. Paragraphs should be used to group topics, and allow the reader to get through what you wrote. I wanted to stop reading after about 4 lines.
Think for a moment about how difficult your text books would be without proper paragraphing, grammar, and punctuation.

2. Remember capitalization? It has a purpose. Failure to use it correctly brands you as sloppy, and frankly not very educated.

3. Attention to detail. You better have it if you are going to work on cars, or have a career in almost anything I can conjure up. You can't sit still for more than half an hour? That's probably ok unless you are an Air Traffic Controller.
The thought that you created, was that you can't concentrate and focus very well. Not uncommon, but a huge problem given that your goals involve a massive amount of learning. Maybe you have ADD. I have a customer, business owner in New York, that I regularly tease about having that problem. He did ok, worth somewhere north of 50 million.

I went back and labored through your post. You really have some problems with logic. You major in business, but want nothing to do with corrupt corporate America (Note correct spelling). All business in America is corrupt is obviously false. Some small percentage is. Most businesses are just fine ethically, unless you are a Marxist. However, if you really believe this, then why on earth would you spend money to get a Business Degree? Furthermore, don't you think that these Tuner companies are businesses?

Finally, you make a statement that absolutely drives me up the wall. Unfortunately, I have heard it before in various forms from young workers that are ambious, but have this twisted idea that they are owed something because they have a silly college degree. They expect to begin by being the boss, with no blood sweat and tears learning the business. I have told them that they are dreaming out, and that they pretty much no nothing about the job. They have to start near the bottom, and work up. In the case of Tuner mechanic, or whatever you want to call them, I guarantee that they did plenty of oil changes, and other grunt tasks prior to arriving at the skill level necessary to do the higher end work. Take your attitude to a tuner shop, and the boys will probably throw you in the out the back door.

I expect your reaction to be rebellious. However, you really should think about what I have pointed out.

My thoughts are not theory, but rather those of someone who has, to use a cliche, been there and done that
30 years of management experience.
Last ten selling my knowledge to people who own manufacturing companies
in my industry. These are companies with annual sales of 6 million to 15 million dollars and typical employee headcounts of from 20 to 100.

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Old 12-29-2005, 08:59 AM
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You should print out the previous post and read it a couple of times - you may not like it but I can guarantee you it's 100% correct.

Read the paragraph about "working your way" up and take it to heart. One of the most important life lessons that college taught me is that many things you face in your life (both work and personal) are not always interesting and exciting - but they have to be done and it's really, really important to be able to have the self discipline to take something on that is not 100% interesting and follow it through to completion.
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Old 12-29-2005, 09:23 AM
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In my opinion the first thing you should be concerned about is getting your degree. Even if it is in philosophy. I know lots of people who work in fields not related to their major in college.

Second, you live in Daytona. Have you ever considered Embry-Riddle?
http://www.erau.edu/

If I had to do it all over again I think I would go that route. Probably the aircraft maintenance and aeroframe degrees. But that is not all they offer.

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RG, the path to fulfillment of your interest is through pecuniary ascendancy. The most likely method to span the distance between relative poverty and ultimate capitalistic capability is through education.

When an individual considers his/her future and what it holds, one must understand that his/her value to society is what controls the course of his/her financial life. The path of least resistance with the least risk, is careful planning, discipline and education which can be leveraged into a gainful career.

En fine, there is no real money in building or tweaking cars. This is not to say that it hasn't been done, but one is more likely to hit a home run in the major leagues than to rise to the highest echelons of the automotive repair/improvement industry.

Follow Jay Leno's example. Make your fortune first, then play with cars as an enthusiastic hobby.
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Old 12-29-2005, 11:24 AM
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If you don't like the business courses anymore, stay in school and turn your philosophy minor into a philosophy major. It can't hurt and you will have completed a degree which will give you a sense of accomplishment. In the meantime continue researching your employment options.
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You should print out the previous post and read it a couple of times - you may not like it but I can guarantee you it's 100% correct.

Read the paragraph about "working your way" up and take it to heart. One of the most important life lessons that college taught me is that many things you face in your life (both work and personal) are not always interesting and exciting - but they have to be done and it's really, really important to be able to have the self discipline to take something on that is not 100% interesting and follow it through to completion.
I too agree with his post. However i also think the poster is a pompous ******* for the manner in which he went about making his points, although apparently a friendly one as his intent does appear to help me(yes i realize those statements are contradictory). I fully understand having to work your way up, even at McDonalds that holds true to a certain degree. I never meant to imply that i wasn't willing to do oil changes or brake jobs, i simply do not want those to turn into my career. Having to do grunt work that you dont like isn't all that bad, as long as it is a part of your long term career objective. I also dont think that having a degree guarantees me a job, if i did then why would i even be posting this? I do appologize if my post is hard to read, when i'm on a CAR MESSAGE BOARD i dont put near the effort into grammer, punctuation etc, as i do with for example a research paper. So please, dont nit-pick the stupid stuff such as not capitilizing "america"(oops, i did it again). I simply would like to know what kind of education would be most beneficial to me reaching my career goal of making cars look cool, go fast, and sound great. Thanks again everyone, i have read all of your replies thoroughly and will be saving this thread to my computer once it is done.
Ryan

edit: Any input on Viper/DEI's "Viper Pit" school? It seems like that would be a good place to start, and once i had that training i could work as an installer at best buy or circuit city to gain some experiance until my degree from UNF was finished... I hope to make it around to a couple of the local tuner shops today just to talk with them and see what they have to say about the education and experiance of their installers.

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