It's shameful
 

That's what the Supreme commander thinks of the leaks regarding the NSA's illegal eavesdropping on American citizens. He's outraged!
Never mind that the NYT sat on the story for over a year! Never mind that his OWN admn outted a CIA agent. Lied to the American people over the pretext to war in Iraq that has cost thousands of lives.
Well, it's good to see that he has priorities in order.

Is the president of USA immune to be tried for crimes against humanity and war crimes at the Hague? Would just like to know. Thanks

shhhhhhh be very very quiet... but it looks that way

It's hard to be a right-wing supporter. You have to justify the president and his advisors breaking the law, twisting the Consitution, and lying brazenly and repeatedly every step of the way. At the same time, you have to demand investigations of those who don't support Bush, and do so on the flimsiest pretenses possible.

And while all this is going on, you have to convince yourself and those around you that giving up your freedoms makes you free, that creating historic deficits is fiscal conservatism, that doubling the size of government is actually shrinking government, that warrantless searches and arrests without charges on the basis of secret evidence resulting on American citizens being held indefinitely (and possibly tortured) is all, somehow, the truest expression of American ideals.

The Clinton administration used the same privilege 38 times, not to mention the fact that it was started by Carter. What's truly shameful is SouthernStar intentionally left that out.

NO that is not correct mi amigo! Clinton nor Carter broke the law like Bush did. Get your facts straight!

I would just like to know;)

Ummm... Perhaps you should get YOUR facts straight.

Clinton and Carter DID use this executive privilege, and it has NOT been proven that Bush (or Clinton or Carter, for that matter) broke any law when doing so.

Innocent until proven guilty..... remember?.....

Mike

And before you try to dismiss me as some kind of blind "right-wing supporter" or "Bush-apologist" or some such nonsense.... Let me point out that I completely agree with your points quoted below:

Mike

Word I heard was that Clinton and Carter subsequently got the proper authorization within the legally mandated time period.

Bush could have done virtually all the surveillance he did illegally in a legal manner by going through the FISA procedures. That he chose not to illustrates his contempt for anything that would rein in his inclinations.

Bill Clinton Signed Executive Order that allowed Attorney General to do searches without court approval

Clinton, February 9, 1995: "The Attorney General is authorized to approve physical searches, without a court order"

WASH POST, July 15, 1994, "Administration Backing No-Warrant Spy Searches": Extend not only to searches of the homes of U.S. citizens but also -- in the delicate words of a Justice Department official -- to "places where you wouldn't find or would be unlikely to find information involving a U.S. citizen... would allow the government to use classified electronic surveillance techniques, such as infrared sensors to observe people inside their homes, without a court order."

Deputy Attorney General Jamie S. Gorelick, the Clinton administration believes the president "has inherent authority to conduct warrantless searches for foreign intelligence purposes."

Secret searches and wiretaps of Aldrich Ames's office and home in June and October 1993, both without a federal warrant.

Government officials decided in the Ames case that no warrant was required because the searches were conducted for "foreign intelligence purposes."

Government lawyers have used this principle to justify other secret searches by U.S. authorities.

"The number of such secret searches conducted each year is classified..."

Jimmy Carter Signed Executive Order on May 23, 1979: "Attorney General is authorized to approve electronic surveillance to acquire foreign intelligence information without a court order."

MM, the operative word in there is: foreign intelligence.. shrub doesn't even hide behind that.. he is just straight up going after citizens.. that's the big difference man.

not in theory but try to get him there.. good luck..

I didn't know Ames was not a US citizen. The fact of the matter is that this survaillence stopped the proposed Brooklyn Bridge bombing and several other would be attacks.

You know that I have been as critical as many of you regarding Rummy or Bush but if a little snooping is needed to keep my ass from being blown up I can live with it. I do hate the concept but I love it's results.

What results?
The final trashing of what little remains of the US Constitution?

I recently heard some idiot (or liar, I think it was a gov't employee) claim that Bush has kept us safe for four years.
I could have made the same claim (much longer than four years, actually) on September 10, 2001.
I've seen no evidence that we are one bit safer, for all of the Federal government's recent "war on Americans".