Calling all UL listed manufactures. - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

dkveuro · #1 01-11-2006, 03:06 PM

I have a problem. ....don't seem to find from anyone, how much it cost to have a water heater, built overseas, tested and UL Listed here in USA.
All my enquiries get a ."..Well, that all depends...blah blah blah..."

Any one with up to date info' on this..?....am also trying to get some info' on the British Standards Institute costs too.( BSI Kite Mark.)...but they say we have to apply for paper work and a package for submission costs $606.00. plus submitting details of each component, ie: material spec's and it's origin of manufacture. Then there's type approval cost of $17,000.00 up to $170,000.00.

From what I'm finding out, I wonder how anyone can afford to have this done.

Do you really need to have a product UL listed...and what if you don't ?

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boneheaddoctor · #2 01-11-2006, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dkveuro

I have a problem. ....don't seem to find from anyone, how much it cost to have a water heater, built overseas, tested and UL Listed here in USA.
All my enquiries get a ."..Well, that all depends...blah blah blah..."

Any one with up to date info' on this..?....am also trying to get some info' on the British Standards Institute costs too.( BSI Kite Mark.)...but they say we have to apply for paper work and a package for submission costs $606.00. plus submitting details of each component, ie: material spec's and it's origin of manufacture. Then there's type approval cost of $17,000.00 up to $170,000.00.

From what I'm finding out, I wonder how anyone can afford to have this done.

Do you really need to have a product UL listed...and what if you don't ?

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technically it can have a forced recall by the government....and confiscation, Once a long time ago I was involved in this process (in a tangental way) with the company I was working for......unfortunately I have forgotten much of the testing precess its forced to go through.

Jim H · #3 01-11-2006, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dkveuro

...Do you really need to have a product UL listed...and what if you don't?

Well, three answers come to mind, one political, one dealing with risk, and one dealing with practical reality.

Politics: The local building inspector can 'red tag' your installation, meaning that is is illegal for you to use it.

Risk: If the heater damages your house, the insurance company may deny you some damages if they discover an 'unlisted' unit.

Practical: The laws of physics are universal, meaning that a British-made heater should heat water just as well as an American-made unit.

kramlavud · #4 01-11-2006, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dkveuro

I have a problem. ....don't seem to find from anyone, how much it cost to have a water heater, built overseas, tested and UL Listed here in USA.
All my enquiries get a ."..Well, that all depends...blah blah blah..."

Any one with up to date info' on this..?....am also trying to get some info' on the British Standards Institute costs too.( BSI Kite Mark.)...but they say we have to apply for paper work and a package for submission costs $606.00. plus submitting details of each component, ie: material spec's and it's origin of manufacture. Then there's type approval cost of $17,000.00 up to $170,000.00.

From what I'm finding out, I wonder how anyone can afford to have this done.

Do you really need to have a product UL listed...and what if you don't ?

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Please tell us why someone in Oklahoma USA thinks he needs a water heater made in the UK. Although it was 10 years ago and prices may have risen some, I paid $500 to have a perfectly fine UL listed WH installed in my home replacing another UL listed WH that worked about 20 years with no maintanence whatever. I am eager to hear your reason.
regards,
Mark

dkveuro · #5 01-11-2006, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by kramlavud

Please tell us why someone in Oklahoma USA thinks he needs a water heater made in the UK. Although it was 10 years ago and prices may have risen some, I paid $500 to have a perfectly fine UL listed WH installed in my home replacing another UL listed WH that worked about 20 years with no maintanence whatever. I am eager to hear your reason.
regards,
Mark

"National Electrical Code requires all equipment connected to the electric supply grid to be listed by UL or one of the nation's 17 other Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratories (NRTLs). Local inspectors typically enforce NEC regulations, and can condemn or shut down any dwelling or business not in line with the NEC, given the potential for shock hazards or fire."

I am in the process of designing and manufacturing a tankless IC controlled water heater for low volume use in homes/factories/apartments/rv's etc....

In order to comply with EEC directives, it needs to be checked for safety and complience with international standards by a third party company with certification to grant a " UL C Listed' or similar safety complience company , such as ETL ..............IE : http://www.uk.intertek-etlsemko.com/en/level3.asp?page_id=12&level2_id=50&level1_id=55

I need to know the costs of this service and I'm getting nowhere asking for an estimate. The companies seem to not wish to disclose cost of testing until you are commited to them, so comparing costs is prohibitive....
'K ?

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BobK · #6 01-12-2006, 07:42 AM

uh, you know there are already some out there, right?

Antony · #7 01-12-2006, 08:20 AM

I manufacture computer servers. I have two out for CE approval this morning. Last year when I sent the machines out for approval, the process of testing took about one week. It took 4 months in total for the paperwork-process to complete. The cost was $17,000.00 give or take. This year I expect the cost to be around $12,000.00 (no substantial changes in the design).
Additionally, when the lab tests the machines, they are REALLY rough on them physically. I cannot sell the units we send for 'certs, even with my pleadings they come back damaged

Hope the info helps.

dkveuro · #8 01-12-2006, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Antony

I manufacture computer servers. I have two out for CE approval this morning. Last year when I sent the machines out for approval, the process of testing took about one week. It took 4 months in total for the paperwork-process to complete. The cost was $17,000.00 give or take. This year I expect the cost to be around $12,000.00 (no substantial changes in the design).
Additionally, when the lab tests the machines, they are REALLY rough on them physically. I cannot sell the units we send for 'certs, even with my pleadings they come back damaged

Hope the info helps.

This is what I was afraid of. I cannot understand how any test consumes that kind of money. This just reinforces my view that this 'mandated ' regulatory body is just a rip off. Another reason small start up companies either have to sell out or quit.

Perpetuation of the old boy network.

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