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02-28-2006, 09:35 PM
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Holocaust denier put in jail
My parents and grand parents were/are survivors of the holocaust and yet when I read that Austria put Hans Rauscher in jail for a book he wrote in 1989 I am uncomfortable. I know that Austria and Germany were the birth place of Hitler and his twisted vision but to place someone in jail for speech somehow rubs me the wrong way. I cannot say that should I cross paths with this hair ball I would not be tempted to turn him into a blood stain but for a nation state to sanction his internment somehow seems wrong. A editorial in El Mundo (a publication in Spain) said that it seems unfair to put him in jail while others who manipulate/twist history such as Stalins purge, the Inquisition, African American history, Native American history … all get a free pass.
Am I off base? Is there something I am missing?
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02-28-2006, 10:01 PM
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I thought I also read something recently about Austria jailing David Irving for the same thing.
I agree there is something undemocratic about imprisoning people for their speech regardless of how reprehensible it is. Determining truth by coercive force is medieval.
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02-28-2006, 10:57 PM
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Agreed, I guess I'm so thoroughly Americanized that I can't see the value of stifling the free expression of ideas, no matter how vile. Of course, I'm also so damned American that I can't see the value/justice in creating a nationstate ostensibly established for one religion/ethnicity either. Silly Americans.
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02-28-2006, 11:13 PM
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Central Europe will be atoning for the holocaust for the next hundred years. They are pretty spooked by the past and don't want anyone shaking things up again. Neither do they want these alternative views shaping the minds of future generations.
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02-28-2006, 11:32 PM
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I think he should be allowed the same freedom of speech as the rest of us to advertise and evangelise their own beliefs, opinions and values.
If denied this privilege, future deniers can easier and with some justification claim that "history is written by the victors" (interesting google), and possibly even re-inforce their cause. Better, I think, to let them "publish and be damned" so that future historians can themselves see the ridiculous arguaments being put forward as an alternative history.
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03-02-2006, 06:56 PM
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I work with Germans regularly and I asked what they teach their youth about WWII. Pretty much they do teach the facts, they're really embarrassed about it now, and any reference worn or promoted about the Nazis is strictly forbidden.
No mention of consquences, but the 26 year old fellow I was speaking to just wanted to end the conversation. Yup. They're quite haunted by that.
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03-02-2006, 07:18 PM
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03-02-2006, 07:21 PM
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It looks like Irving was jailed.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4733820.stm The amazing part is that he now admits that what he said was wrong and he no longer believes it. I guess you can't even recant heresy anymore.
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03-02-2006, 07:25 PM
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I wonder, Do you think they have any other laws regulating speech? For instance would it be illegal to advocate the extermination of a race of people? It would be really weird if you could advocate that it should be done but not deny that it almost was done.
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03-02-2006, 07:54 PM
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During the Cold War my brother was an infantry officer in W Germany. he lived with a German family off base. The husband had been a tank commander in the German army during WWII. My brother and the old gent enjoyed each other's company immensely and talked a lot about defending West Germany's eastern front from soviet invasion. My brother has been back to Germany a couple of times for reunions with his unit and always visits the old guy.
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03-02-2006, 08:13 PM
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03-02-2006, 08:50 PM
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03-02-2006, 08:55 PM
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