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Old 03-04-2006, 12:40 AM
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McCartney's should not be allowed on tv

They looked like fools on CNN.
Uninformed celebs sensationalizing things. Seals only for their fur? These two obvisouly do not know much.

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Old 03-04-2006, 03:58 PM
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They looked like fools on CNN.
Uninformed celebs sensationalizing things. Seals only for their fur? These two obvisouly do not know much.
Yeah Dennis Leary used their eye's for headlights on his Cadillac
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They looked like fools on CNN.
Uninformed celebs sensationalizing things. Seals only for their fur? These two obvisouly do not know much.
Why don't you enlighten us? I have no idea what you are talking about.
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Old 03-04-2006, 08:14 PM
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I saw the show as well. McCartney and his wife came across as arrogant, rude, uninformed and very out of touch with the realities of fishermen. They said that the fishermen only make a "little" money off the seal hunt. It might be a "little" money to him but it is a lot of money to the fishermen. Nobody goes out on an ice flow in the middle of focking winter and kills seals for 18 hours a day because they do not need the focking money.

Inhumane? Yes, welcome to the human race. Morons.
Here is an article from cbc.com.

What else do you use seal for? Flippers taste awful!

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McCartney used by groups, Williams says
Last updated Mar 4 2006 07:30 AM NST
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Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams took on ex-Beatle Paul McCartney and his wife during a heated debate Friday night over the Canadian seal hunt, accusing the high-profile couple of being misinformed and used by some animal rights groups.

"My concern here is that the McCartneys are not completely informed," Williams said during the debate aired on CNN's Larry King Live.

* FROM MARCH 3, 2006: Williams, McCartney to talk seals on Larry King show

McCartney, who with his wife Heather Mills McCartney visited seal pups in the Gulf of St. Lawrence Thursday, has joined a tradition of international celebrities seeking to stop the harp seal hunt.

Paul McCartney attracted international attention with his visit this week to see seal pups off the Magdalen Islands. (CP Photo/Tom Hanson)
They have called the hunt inhumane and a stain on Canada's reputation.

Williams, who appeared on the last half of the broadcast, immediately challenged Mills McCartney's assertion that most seals are clubbed. In fact, Williams said, 90 per cent are killed by bullet.

He said the hunt is carried out humanely, and that that it is supported by scientists, veterinarians and organizations like the UN and the World Wildlife Fund.

Williams argued that the seal population has tripled from two million to 5.8 million. He said if that is allowed to continue the "inhumane consequence of that is that these seals will starve."

* FROM CBC ARCHIVES: Pelts, Pups and Protest: The Atlantic Seal Hunt

Mills McCartney interjected to say that it's completely normal for there to be millions of seals.

McCartney said that in the 1950s and 1960s, there was an overculling of the seal population where they dropped to a dangerously low level. Over the last three years, he said, that level of killing is happening again.

"Even though at this moment in time there may be enough seals, the population could drop in the same way as it did in the 50s and 60s," McCartney said.

Williams said only three per cent of the seals have been taken.

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The McCartneys spoke to host Larry King from a studio in Charlottetown. Williams was taped at a CBC Television studio in St. John's.

The most heated exchanges occurred between Mills and Williams.

When King asked Mills McCartney to respond on the number of seals actually killed by bullets, she replied : "It's just not true. It's complete and absolute rubbish."

Williams repeated that Mills McCartney was incorrect. "I have to set the record straight. I live here and I actually know."

* DEPARTMENT OF FISHERIES & OCEANS: Seal Hunt: Myths and Realities External site

Video of seals being clubbed to death during past hunts was shown several times during the show.

Williams rejected McCartney's premise that no reasonable person who saw footage of the hunt would say it is humane.

Williams said if you go into any slaughterhouse and put white sheets on the floor, "then you're going to see blood. And that's not nice and that's not pleasant."

* FROM MARCH 3, 2006: Visit outports, not just pups, sealer tells McCartney

Williams went on to say that the couple is being used by organizations like the IFAW, Greenpeace and PETA who raise hundreds of millions of dollars. He added that the FBI has terrorist files on these groups.

But Mills McCartney slammed Williams for going off on a tangent.

"Why are you not sticking to the seal hunt? The fact that it's used for fashion, the fact that they are inhumanely killed," she said.

"Why don't you stick to the subject. You're such a politician. You keep going off on irrelevant things."

"This is about propaganda," Williams responded. "This is about using superstars like your husband." The McCartneys' visit was arranged by the Humane Society of the United States, which said the pop star's involvement attracted enormous media attention around the world.

* EXTERNAL SITE: Humane Society of the United States External site

After the debate, Williams said he felt he made inroads.

"They seemed to get defensive at times which I think was good from our perspective because it showed that we were making our points," said Williams, who called being asked to appear on the show a "golden opportunity" to address millions of people.

Peter Ralph, a St. John's lawyer who watched the debate in a pub, thought the program was skewed in the McCartneys' favour, as Williams was not invited to speak for half the show.

"It seemed like it was a set up for Humane Society propaganda, and Larry King was useless. The point wasn't to have a good debate, obviously," Ralph said.

Another patron, Gerry Heffernan, said that in the end there was no clear winner.

"I don't know who actually won the debate," said pub patron Gerry Heffernan. "[But] I think that Danny held his own with the superstars."

The CNN appearance was the talk of Newfoundland and Labrador on Friday.

"I guess when you put a Paul McCartney into the mix, it's all about theatre to some degree," resident Rob Dunphy said before the telecast. "Danny has a chance to take that and make it work in our favour for a change."

"It's going to bring a lot of international attention. It's going to be great for the province and to tell our side of the story for once," said Steve Webb in St. John's.
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I am still unclear on the purposes of the seal hunt. Oasis100 ridiculed the McCartneys for claiming that the hunt was just for fur. It appears that population control is another purpose. Is there some other purpose to the hunt? Why do they club the seals? To someone like me who knows nothing about seals, clubbing seems barbaric.
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Their skins are used for leather goods...their oils are used primarily for those Omega-3 capsules you buy at health stores...their meat I believe is used for animal feed...it is no good for human consumption...I believe the hunt is used to control the seal population which may affect the Atlantic fishing industry...

They club them because it delivers the most direct and fastest blow to the head and knocks the animal out cold...once the seal is on the boat, a gun, harpoon, spear, etc. isn't exactly the most effective or safest considering the boat is rocking back and forth and the animal is in relatively close proximity to you...
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They go out and club only newborne baby seal pups. So it's not to control population. It is strictly done as tradition and for the furs.

The fishermen are losing way more income because of this seal fur trade, because of countries boycotting their other seafood trade. So they can't logically be doing for the income. If they stop clubbing seals they will make way more money in seafood sales. I don't think Paul and his wife are out of touch with this issue at all. Most Canadians agree with doing away with the seal clubbing. (But I guess there are always going to be a large group of ignorant hunter types here who are probably in the NRA too, who think their testicles will falloff if these seals aren't murdered every spring.)

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How is clubbing them any more or less humane (what a joke) than say shooting them with an arrow or a bullet?

How much are they losing because of the boycotts? Are they at the point where they have fish in the hold and nowheres to sell it?
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They go out and club only newborne baby seal pups. So it's not to control population. It is strictly done as tradition and for the furs.

The fishermen are losing way more income because of this seal fur trade, because of countries boycotting their other seafood trade. So they can't logically be doing for the income. If they stop clubbing seals they will make way more money in seafood sales. I don't think Paul and his wife are out of touch with this issue at all. Most Canadians agree with doing away with the seal clubbing. (But I guess there are always going to be a large group of ignorant hunter types here who are probably in the NRA too, who think their testicles will falloff if these seals aren't murdered every spring.)

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fur, I would say yes...tradition, I don't really think so...
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fur, I would say yes...tradition, I don't really think so...
Well, if it is so good, I think I'll buy myself a baby seal fur pelt and help a starving fisherman.

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Well, if it is so good, I think I'll buy myself a baby seal fur pelt and help a starving fisherman.

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Well, I never said it was "so good" in my post...I merely state that the motivation behind the annual seal hunt is most likely fur, and not tradition...I was watching a report that was debating the seal hunt, and apparently, 20~35% of a fisherman's annual income is from the seal hunt...I don't think they are out there because their ancestors do it...I think it is just for the money...

Seal pups are targeted because their pelts are most valuable for fur...but seal pups grow up and in turn, eat fish that fishermen can sell...so population control is part of the equation too...maybe population control is just another excuse made up by fishermen to justify the seal hunt...I dunno...it was one of the reasons I saw stated on the news report...

Also, clubbing isn't the most humane, but it is the most effective...try handing guns and arrows to a crew and tell them to shoot seals during high tide...I don't think that is exactly practical...you will most likely come back to shore with a boat full of dead fishermen than dead seal...furthermore, clubs are reusable...bullets and arrows are consumables that add to the overall cost...given that there are only "so many ways" to kill a seal on a boat out at sea, I dunno what "other" options are there...

As I said before, I am not saying this seal hunt is good or bad...I am just answering questions that I saw addressed in that news report I saw the other day...
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I meant if the fur was that good.
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I meant if the fur was that good.
Oh...sorry...yes, it is quite lovely...but very politically incorrect in this day and age...
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May I suggest let's film a bunch of grown men running around clubbing human babies and then sit down and discuss the humane side of the act.

Clubbing baby seals has been a touchy topic for many years. Regardless, I think it should be banned.

I was watching it on Larry King's Live last night. It was truely disgusting.

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