What's this whole anti-abortion talk for? - Page 11 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

aklim · #**151** 03-09-2006, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by peragro

That's fine, I use the accepted scientific terms for alive as well. That's why when a conceptus (biological term for the child the mother is carrying) is concieved it is a whole genetically individual organism capable of life. And so it is.

I still don't see what a corpse has to do with any of this. But to each his own.

How is the conceptus capable of life till at least the third trimester and that is with quite a bit of intervention?

Well, if you say the corpse is not alive because it doesn't have X, Y and Z, then if the fetus doesn't have X, Y and Z then it is not alive. If it does, it is alive. If you can keep a corpse breathing and having a heartbeat but still the brain is dead and you will not call that alive then what would happen if you applied that same judgement to the conceptus?

Botnst · #**152** 03-09-2006, 08:26 AM

Things that are arbitrary may or may not be irrelevant. For example, the moment of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was arbitrary.

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Originally Posted by GermanStar

Well, that's true, but if you aren't arguing its relevance, why bring it up at all?

Birth is relevant, the moment of the first capacity for viability is arbitrary.

GermanStar · #**153** 03-09-2006, 08:53 AM

Well, there's something new...

aklim · #**154** 03-09-2006, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by peragro

This is why so much energy is spent on defining when life begins or when a person is (hence why the biological aspect is important). Most people naturally abhor the wrongful death of another. Aristotle posited thoughts such as this to natural law. Hence people feel much better when they think that it's not really a person or it's sub-standard somehow.

Well, it is important because if it is a live person then it changes the equation slightly from the standpoint that there is one more thing for the host to consider. Otherwise an abortion is just like a miscarriage except you did it to yourself (so to speak). I mean, the wife had a miscarriage and you don't see us crying about the loss of a child. It was never alive other than on a cellular level so we don't see the issue.