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Old 03-12-2006, 10:04 PM
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So everybody is talking about music download using Limewire, and I am sure it is illegal, right?

However, I do have a question about the legality of music download. Say I own a LP I bought in the 70's. Paid full purchasing price for it. Fast forward to 2006. I now have an iPod, and would like to listen to that LP in MP3 format. As far as I know, there is no way to convert songs from the LP to my iPod. So if I download the same songs from the on-line music source, am I violating the law?

How do the record companies determine the copy right of a song? If I have to pay for the same songs the second time, is it not the record companies do the rip off? Then, why do me, the consumer care about protecting their copy rights?

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Old 03-12-2006, 10:13 PM
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You are preaching to the choir brother....


I feel the same way about the greeding RIAA. Is it any wonder people like myself refuse to buy anything at all out of disgust....and the lack of much decent new material. There are ways to convert albums to Ipod ready material....but its time consuming...
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Old 03-13-2006, 07:41 AM
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So everybody is talking about music download using Limewire, and I am sure it is illegal, right?

However, I do have a question about the legality of music download. Say I own a LP I bought in the 70's. Paid full purchasing price for it. Fast forward to 2006. I now have an iPod, and would like to listen to that LP in MP3 format. As far as I know, there is no way to convert songs from the LP to my iPod. So if I download the same songs from the on-line music source, am I violating the law?

How do the record companies determine the copy right of a song? If I have to pay for the same songs the second time, is it not the record companies do the rip off? Then, why do me, the consumer care about protecting their copy rights?
As I understand it, once you pay royalties for the music you can make as many copies for yourself as you like. So if you bought Hendrix's "Are you experienced" in 1968, you can download "Wind Cries Mary." If you get busted for it you all you have to do is produce your receipt of the original purchase, or the vinyl, or 8-track that you bought. That's a get out of jail free card.
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Old 03-13-2006, 07:58 AM
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Old 03-13-2006, 08:30 AM
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Old 03-13-2006, 04:37 PM
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Actually, you CAN convert LPs to digital format, for CDs, mp3 conversion, whatever...

http://www.vinyl2cd.com/

These folks are just one of countless businesses that offer such services, or if you're feeling industrious, you can buy some gear and do it yourself.

So yes, downloading mp3s of music (even if you already own it on another format) through illegitimate file-sharing networks is still technically illegal. Personally I would find it acceptable on moral grounds, but..... illegal is illegal.

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Old 03-13-2006, 04:42 PM
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You are preaching to the choir brother....


I feel the same way about the greeding RIAA. Is it any wonder people like myself refuse to buy anything at all out of disgust....and the lack of much decent new material. There are ways to convert albums to Ipod ready material....but its time consuming...
I agree with you in principal. But it is not the RIAA you are hurting by not buying music. It is the artists who suffer.

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Old 03-13-2006, 08:49 PM
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I agree with you in principal. But it is not the RIAA you are hurting by not buying music. It is the artists who suffer.

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True, but the RIAA is who takes the lions share of record sales....artists even with good contracts get a paultry sum...

More artists need to be able to do direct sales...(which I can imagine is prohibited in most contracts)


Sad fact is most of the new music they push on us the hardest is pretty pathetic these days..while the better artists don't get the same treatment, or airtime.


I for one admit I love Metallica....however I refuse to buy their music out of principle over their Napster lawsuit ( Napster introduced me to new artists I never heard on the radio at the time). And I am the type person who pushes back when shoved. And I feel shoved by the RIAA actions.

I don't feel all artists are behind the RIAA...unfortunately except for a handfull the choice is limited. You can't buy their music direct as a protest to the RIAA. So while I do feel bad for the artists that suffer for it...I feel the greater evil is the RIAA. Lot of grey here but for me the scale tips to hurt the RIAA where it matters most...their balance sheets. When its over hopefully the Artists will keep a greater share of the sales for their music.
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Old 03-14-2006, 03:09 PM
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True, but the RIAA is who takes the lions share of record sales....artists even with good contracts get a paultry sum...

More artists need to be able to do direct sales...(which I can imagine is prohibited in most contracts)


Sad fact is most of the new music they push on us the hardest is pretty pathetic these days..while the better artists don't get the same treatment, or airtime.


I for one admit I love Metallica....however I refuse to buy their music out of principle over their Napster lawsuit ( Napster introduced me to new artists I never heard on the radio at the time). And I am the type person who pushes back when shoved. And I feel shoved by the RIAA actions.

I don't feel all artists are behind the RIAA...unfortunately except for a handfull the choice is limited. You can't buy their music direct as a protest to the RIAA. So while I do feel bad for the artists that suffer for it...I feel the greater evil is the RIAA. Lot of grey here but for me the scale tips to hurt the RIAA where it matters most...their balance sheets. When its over hopefully the Artists will keep a greater share of the sales for their music.
Believe me, I'm quite familiar with how lopsided major-label record deals are... I've endured TWO of them.

Which makes it all the more harmful to artists when you pirate their music instead of buying it.

Direct sales, as you describe them, are extremely difficult, if not impossible, for most musicians and bands.

Professional quality, high-end recording is not easy, and is not cheap.

Albums must have promotion. No one is going to buy an album they don't know about, merely because you made it. Promotion is very expensive.

Albums must be distributed to stores, online retailers, etc... No one is going to come looking for you just to buy your album. Distribution is labor-intensive and expensive.

The immense cost and labor of recording, distributing, and promoting an album is far beyond the resources of most musicians and bands, therefore record labels are a necessary evil.

This up-front cost must be recouped by the labels before the artist makes ANY money on album sales. If album sales are weak, the artist gets put on the back burner (at best), or dropped altogether (at worst).

At that point, the artist/band is either right back where they started (with nothing), but usually end up in an even WORSE position, since they now carry the negative stigma of being "dropped" by a label...

But it's no skin off the label's back... It's just written off as a business expense, and they get a tax deduction for it.

The recording industry has nearly a 99% failure rate. 99 out of 100 albums released by a major record label never turn a profit. But record deals are structured in such a one-sided manner that, when that 1 out of 100 artists IS hugely successful and profitable, the label makes such an astronomical amount of money on it that they can afford to allow 99 other albums to fail.

If you want more disgusting details of the vile inner workings of record deals, read this:

http://www.negativland.com/albini.html

I've been through all of this bull$h!t personally. Twice. So have many of my friends and associates. I still work in the music business, mostly in high-end recording studios, with artists and bands who are currently experiencing exactly what I did.

So trust me when I say that the RIAA REALLY doesn't give a damn that you personally have stopped buying music out of protest.

It IS your favorite artists that you're hurting.

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Let's say MikeMover is in a band that makes money off of recording sales. let's say instead of buying his music we download it off the Internet. Does our downloading take money out of Mike's pocket? Is that what we want to do, steal from Mike?

Or is just okay to steal from folks that we don't know? In which case, where do you live? I need a new sound system and I feel like they charge too much at Best Buy so I'm just going to steal yours.
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Let's say MikeMover is in a band that makes money off of recording sales. let's say instead of buying his music we download it off the Internet. Does our downloading take money out of Mike's pocket? Is that what we want to do, steal from Mike?

Or is just okay to steal from folks that we don't know? In which case, where do you live? I need a new sound system and I feel like they charge too much at Best Buy so I'm just going to steal yours.
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That does that mean?
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That does that mean?
It means he's trying to justify his illicit downloading as "file sharing".

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Let's say MikeMover is in a band that makes money off of recording sales. let's say instead of buying his music we download it off the Internet. Does our downloading take money out of Mike's pocket? Is that what we want to do, steal from Mike?

Or is just okay to steal from folks that we don't know? In which case, where do you live? I need a new sound system and I feel like they charge too much at Best Buy so I'm just going to steal yours.
Personally I would rather pay mike $8 for his CD directly than pay $15 or more so the record company gets the lions share and Mike gets pennies.

And I am certain somewhere in the fine print of his contract he is prevented from doing so by those same greedy people...

I'm not ignorant to the plight of the artist...

But The RIAA does care.....this is evidenced by their willingness to sue the very people they need to survive from...the fact this actually causes people like myself to do as we do and stop purchasing altogether to not finance their lawsuit frenzy is evidence of that. Plus the declining sales they try to blame on piracy instead of disgusted customers.

Would you shop at a store if they followed you around and sued you for trying something on before you bought it with a no refund, no return policy?

And its sad that the artist has to suffer as a result of this....however if anyone can suggest how a customer can stick it to the RIAA without harming the artist there are millions of people like myself wanting to hear it.
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It means he's trying to justify his illicit downloading as "file sharing".

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No, I am just saying that people justify themselves by calling it sharing files.

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