You failed to mention if he was one of "those people". You know the ones that you can not find a single one that you like.

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Having a weapon in your vehicle, legal or not, is a huge responsability. Before you reach for that gun you had better be sure your life is in danger. Your life, not your cars life. Pulling out any kind of weapon, be it a bat or a knife or a gun, means you had better be ready to use it. Never get out of your vehicle and take every opportunity to get out of the situation. The scary thing is, you don't know who is armed. People who have nothing to lose and are already on the edge are the one's that are going to shoot first.

Please tell us what that means, sounds pretty phobic.

I believe it was because I was doing 55, in a 50... Guess he thought that was too slow. I also have a few choice bumper stickers, but nothing that swears or insults anybody.

"WTF IS YOUR PROBLEM, WHATS WRONG WITH YOU" (among other things) was what was being yelled...

I can only think of 2 reasons... Drunk, or high. I dont know.


Good point NKowi... I wouldnt have shot at his vitals. I would have shown it to him, and aimed at him. If he would not have backed down, thats where the fork lies.

Disable the car via radiator, tire, or a few slugs into the engine compartment. Depending on what I had...

Or, disable him (foot, leg, arm, hand)

Mash, I said I want going into the details on "him"

I stand by my statement, I haven NOT met one person of that "thoose people" that I can get along with, or like. If that changes, You'll be the first to know. Just because I dont like somebody, doesnt mean I will insult them, or anything.

Raymond... If he would have rammed me, tried to ram me, or otherwise endangered my life, I would have disabled his car, or him.

Blacke55 "Open carry in WI will get you a ticket for disorderly conduct."
WTF??? Thats dumb... I'll go to a payphone by my house, call the non emergency line, and ask to speak to somebody familer with gun laws...

IF they say that "open carry is illegal", I will ask that person if they're familer with Date updated: Aug 21, 2005 @ 8:02 pm Wisconsin State Constitution Article I, Section 25

"The people have the right to keep and bear arms for security, defense, hunting, recreation or any other lawful purpose."

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Never fired a gun my self but every thing I have heard or seen about shooting someone indicated that shooting a moving target with a hand gun is difficult enough as it it. Hitting a hand, foot leg or arm is damn near impossible even for a trained marksman. Good luck in your efforts. I hope for your sake that Darwin is not awake when you are shooting "one of those people".

Impressive. Not too many racists will come out and admit it a second time.

I guess a 3.5GPA does not mean what it used to when I was in school. That does explain quite a bit about the state of affairs in this country.

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Key things to remember when dealing with road rage:

1. avoid eye contact

2. don't engage the other person by flashing lights or honking horn

3. stay in your vehicle

4. don't follow the other person

5. don't shoot at someone's vehicle trying to disable it or them. If you want to do that then you might give thought to joining the police academy and becoming a officer of the law. Citizens don't have that right, unless their life is in danger.

6. if you do shoot at someone's vehicle be prepared for return fire

7. if you do buy a gun, don't tell or show anyone, that just invites theft

8. be carefull and think twice, many people with guns have had them taken away and used against them.

9. get a cell phone, even a deactivated one will call 911.

10. hope and pray you don't shoot a innocent citizen while trying to disable a person who yells at you and cuts you off.

Using the term "those people" is a insult by itself.

It's called subtle racism.

Originally posted by davidmash:
You're spot-on here, davidmash. I am what you would probably consider skilled in the use of various weapons and yet would be extremely hesitant to attempt "winging" a bad guy.

Nate, after reading how you'd show him the weapon, and point it at him, then decide whether or not you'd shoot (I presumed that's what you meant by reaching the "fork) I would very enthusiastically discourage you from carrying one on your person or in your car until you're far more ready than you've demonstrated here. If I point a gun at you, the decision to end whatever threat you pose to me has already been made. But the chances of having me ever point it at you (or anyone else) in the first place is exceptionally remote.

Take to heart the quote: "Discretion is the better part of valor". It could save someone's life - yours included.

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This is the result of video games and cable tv. There is no reset button in real life.

You only point a gun at something you have every intention of shooting. If you pull the gun you had better be out of options and have every intention of killing him. The gun is always, always the absolute option of last resort.

And if you use it your life had better be in danger and you better be able to prove that.

IE "the guy ran at my car screaming" You shoot and kill him he was unarmed and mental. Chances are you do jail time or have very pricey legal fees.

"the guy ran at my car with a 12in knife and I shot him" well then I would say that is self defense. Certainly someone with a large knife running in your direction would pose a threat.

All in all nothing good will come of this. Even carrying a stun gun or tazzer can creat legal problems.


I'd like to get my carry permit one day. Maybe I'll get a compact Sig or H&K. I really like H&K's offerings.

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First off...there ARE completely violent and unreasonable people out there. Without going into "public record" type details, I've had some firsthand experience quite a bit beyond Nate's. Thankfully I'm still here and some other people are in various stages of the correctional system. Here are a couple of basics... Keep in mind some of this is Georgia law so do your homework on your local regs. Talk to local officers some afternoon in the light of "I am interested in responsible concealed carry" what do I need to do. NRA website can also be helpful but don't take it as the word of a local attorney.

1. ANY shot fired whether in the air, at the car, at their toes, or at their vitals is automatically "intent to kill". This works both ways...if you are fired upon or if you fire on someone/thing else.

2. Evasion buys you enough time to call 911. Stay mobile and public. Don't get boxed in by traffic, stoplights, etc. As long as you are moving you are probably okay. Call 911 and circle a crowded parking lot. Cops move quite a bit faster on a call like that than "someone backed into my benz in the mall parking lot"

3. If possible (with adrenaline, fear, etc) consider the situation from the perspective of a hostile cop and district attorney who want to pin things on you no matter how much of a convict/drug addict/etc was after you. Make as sure as possible you have exhausted ALL options.

4. If you do have to use your weapon (sometimes it is unavoidable) expect to be arrested and have to contact a good (read: expensive) lawyer. In more liberal states and counties the DA is looking to make any charges stick. Doesn't mean you aren't right for defending yourself, you'll just likely have to pay a lawyer to prove it.

5. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. Just don't make the lawyer's job any harder than it has to be. Stuff can be replaced (usually for alot less than legal fees) focus on what can't be replaced.

6. If you are going to carry a weapon educate yourself with it, about it, etc. Go to a range, take care of the weapon (cleaning/maintenance), and learn about the ballistics and other issues involved. For example...if you shoot someone who is trying to stab you with a FMJ .357 and it zips right through your target and ends up in some poor person behind them then guess what...yeah bad stuff. Learn why hollowpoints/softpoints/etc are a more responsible choice than FMJ/ball ammo. This doesn't just mean take an afternoon or weekend class and you are good. That is a place to start. Learn your carry, draw, etc movements into muscle memory if possible.

7. Do not reveal you have a weapon unless you are willing to use it. Even if you don't have to fire and hopefully the idiot will back down but if you pull it, be prepared to use it. Most places can charge you with "brandishing" if the weapon is visible. It is a highly subjective charge, just be aware of it.

8. It is also sometimes helpful to keep a disposable camera around to take some kind of photographic evidence of you being harassed/approached/etc. The $12 you spend on it can go along way and they keep years. It can also be a reality check for someone about to do something stupid. Don't use anything that relies on batteries, you forget to charge them, they go dead at bad times, etc. Film only.

Last...when you are capable, educated, and secure in what all your options are from simple evasion to lethal/permanent consequences you will be in a better position to make the right decision in a tense situation.

For concealed carry I am partial to a glock 27. Not much else beats it for firepower, reliability, and size. 45 is a personally preferred caliber for defense but putting it in a very small package causes issues. 40 is about 90% as good ballistically, packages easier, and ammo is available everywhere. Kimbers are an awesome gun but more target oriented (very tight tolerances and whatnot) and can be more fussy with ammo. If I had to have a bedside gun that is simply a joy to shoot...get a kimber. Cars and concealed carry in general are hot, cold, dusty, etc....use something more utilitarian. Revolvers are not bad but that gets into personal preference. If a revolver is your bag, a 357 (also shoots 38 for cheaper practice) in titanium from someone like taurus or S&W makes a solid choice.

Be safe....hope this helps

have any of you felt like you were so endangered that you needed to carry a gun on you to 'protect' yourself?

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Nope. Maybe I've just been lucky.

Most of my friends from back home do for "self defense". It's one thing to do it in Wyoming where you can walk a quarter mile in any direction and legally shoot it. In Colorado it's a trip to the hooscow and a felony charge.



As far as busting Nate's nuts cause he's just a kid goes....

It's his thread, he asked the question, and I assume he wants big people answers.

Kids can be just as harmful as anyone else. Especially when they hate black people and want to arm themselves.


As far as the 5 under goes....

Are you sure that's the whole story? Honestly I can see where that would piss me off but I don't think I would want to throw a beating for it. You didn't unwittingly or possibly unknowingly have any other interaction with this guy? Knock up his daughter? Anything?

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These two deserve a response.

First, pointing a gun at someone is assault. Don't point a gun at anything that you are not willing (and legally entitled) to destroy.

Second, visit the ATF website. Read the state laws that are posted. Note that it's not your interpretation of the state law or constitution that matters; it's the judges. You can be right all the way to 10+ years in jail with this one.

Given his mentality I would not be so sure he would figure it out. He is a bigot and he tries to pretend he can play with the big boys on a equal footing. He has no real life experience, he is overtly aggressive and seems to go out looking for trouble. He talks about brandishing/threatening/shooting a person and seemingly has no concept of what that entails or the ramifications of the actions he wanted to take.

He is the poster child for gun control advocates. I pissed off bigot with a gun. Yea, that’s a good idea.

Let him slide? Not in my lifetime. My family has seen what that can escalate into if not kept in check. I’ll be damned if that kind of behavior goes unchecked.

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