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Old 05-25-2006, 02:13 PM
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Look at GM

Almost $29 a share today!

I wonder if Kirkorian is gonna bail soon?

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Old 05-25-2006, 04:27 PM
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Almost $29 a share today!

I wonder if Kirkorian is gonna bail soon?
Nope.


Look at my thread on this.

GM is going to be a great company. All this crap you hear about them is to break the Union. Once the Union is gone, they'll do great.

I can't believe I'm saying this... but that's my theory.
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Old 05-25-2006, 04:30 PM
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There was a story on 60 Minutes a little while back about GM. I was absolutely floored to learn that some assembly line workers in Wisconsin are pulling down six figures!
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Old 05-25-2006, 04:35 PM
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There was a story on 60 Minutes a little while back about GM. I was absolutely floored to learn that some assembly line workers in Wisconsin are pulling down six figures!
It really is a disgrace that we allowed the Unions to have this kind of power over our American companies.

But, that is what all this Woh-Is-Me crap is with them. They just want to reneg. the contracts. Take the position that either, the Union plays ball with them, or there will not be a court for them to play in at all.

I always hated GM, but something made me keep buying the stock the worse they got. When you look at them as a company, they are too valuable to be this low. Brands, plants, etc. Once the leeches on the pension system die and the Union is weaker, you'll see money flow into RD, etc. and they WILL build cars that people will buy again. I honestly believe, that Americans WANT to buy Ford and GM, but they are such trash, that people feel safer with Honda.

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Old 05-25-2006, 06:17 PM
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about the ongoing problems with General Motors, and its management "GM Deathwatch" He feelsthey are really close to bankruptcy, the Delphi supplier situation is pushing it to the precipice, and while the Unions are partially to blame, for the most part GM is only putting 80% to 90% effort into updating its products, and the life cycle of the products is longer than the Japanese companies, the Honda Civic for instance has been more frequently updated than the Cavalier, and devaluing the worth of its products by discounting them so badly. There are individual exceptions, and likethe fabulous Corvette, of course, but for the bread and butter cars, they are catching up in quality and innovation, but the competition from Asia, especially Korea and Japan, are a moving target. They are still behind in the family sedans.

I wish GM well and hope that they could get back on the ball and sell some great cars people would covet. They are doing all right in Europe Britain and Austgralia and the Middle East.
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Old 05-25-2006, 08:47 PM
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It really is a disgrace that we allowed the Unions to have this kind of power over our American companies.
No one allowed the union to do anything. They negotiated a contract with the company. Stop blaming the Union workers in this country, they earn what they should be earning in 2006 wages. Put the blame where it belongs, on the fat cat upper executive management. They are the ones who allocate where the money goes, what projects R&D works on, and what market trends will be in the coming years. Maybe if some smarter decisions were made at the top, you wouldn't be ragging out on the guy in the union who is America.
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Old 05-25-2006, 09:07 PM
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GM has $5B(I think) maybe coming in from selling Delphi if my memory servs me. They have the cash, they need to bust the union now. Time to go union busting robber baron style.

GM still makes junk, Ford and GM make some truely junky and just old cars on the market. Sure they are reliable as of recently, but they are still dated. If GM had what they have now 5-7 years ago they would be in decent shape. The problem is that Honda and Toyota keep raising the bar, GM is playing catch up. The only GM sedan that can compete is that midsize car made by Saturn, thats a decent car.
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Old 05-25-2006, 09:22 PM
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Knowing that GM was/is going to bounce is not what I would consider inside information. GM can survive within the union but they can't do it making rental cars.
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Old 05-25-2006, 09:48 PM
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GM has $5B(I think) maybe coming in from selling Delphi if my memory servs me. They have the cash, they need to bust the union now. Time to go union busting robber baron style.
Isn't it funny that GM has had a union for how many multiple decades in their prosperous history. and now all of a sudden it's the union thats causing the problems? Robber baron style, You think that's cool? Let them eat cake, right? Obviouly you never worked for a living, your just spouting some aristocratic BS.
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Old 05-25-2006, 10:06 PM
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well GM is failing .. Ford circled its problem.. and Dodge is doing decent
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Old 05-25-2006, 10:35 PM
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Isn't it funny that GM has had a union for how many multiple decades in their prosperous history. and now all of a sudden it's the union thats causing the problems? Robber baron style, You think that's cool? Let them eat cake, right? Obviouly you never worked for a living, your just spouting some aristocratic BS.
It is funny how people can jump at conclusions about a person's prior work history, charitable behavior, etc., based upon just a post.

There are a lot of hardworking, "little people" who think that unions are a blight upon our nation's economy (just before anyone jumps to another set of conclusions, I think that the steady decline in the number of good union jobs has had a deleterious effect on our nation). Just because Hattie thinks that GM ought to go union busting does not make him some sort of privileged, cake-eating bourgeois.

I think that part of GM's problem is that it tries to be in too many markets.

My wife's Yukon is a great piece of machinery. It is big, comfortable, cheap to maintain (not fuel economy) and has a nearly indestructible engine-tranny combo. On the other hand I had a 1999 Seville that I bought from my dad (who bought it new). The car was a major POS - real pretty to look at, but a real POS mechanicallyand electrically. I had to get rid of it.

Maybe GM should stick to making trucks and SUVs.

GM has made some bad business decisions along the way. Ford was smart and bought Volvo GM was dumb and bought (and then nearly killed) SAAB.

As usual, there is no shortage of targets for all the finger-pointing.
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At one point in time unions were needed, today they are a dinosor from the industrial age.
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No one allowed the union to do anything. They negotiated a contract with the company. Stop blaming the Union workers in this country, they earn what they should be earning in 2006 wages. Put the blame where it belongs, on the fat cat upper executive management. They are the ones who allocate where the money goes, what projects R&D works on, and what market trends will be in the coming years. Maybe if some smarter decisions were made at the top, you wouldn't be ragging out on the guy in the union who is America.
I'll agree the top fat cats are to blame for many of the issues.

However - You should take a behind the scenes tour through an auto plant with a UAW member. Ask about their daily production (unit) quotas. Their time per unit(s) vs. shift durations. And, what they do when they meet their quotas. It could be an eye opening experience for you.

I did. And it was.
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Hopefully there will be more european influence in their offerings. Their US operation have been neglecting that obvious resource for ages.

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