Well said, Benz LGB...I apologize if my tone in these posts was a bit unpleasant, but I am struggling with several teenagers in my house who just don't get the whole idea of work...they both think just by showing up at school they'll get into a good university, and by showing up there and partying for 4 years, they'll magically become rich and important.

The difference seems to be that Kamil doesn't believe that showing up and partying will get you anywheres. He seems to think that he has to work for it.

Aklim, I'm not so sure that he really believes that he has to work for it...what I have taken from his posts is that by knowing somebody he's good-to-go. Connections will get a person in the door, but performance will keep a person there.

Let's go back a step...he invests money. As a college kid, where did it come from? He didn't earn the "seed money" that created all of these investments. I have no problem with a person parlaying a nestegg that is given to them into something bigger, but give credit where it is due. The short version is this: either he is a BS artist and is blowing smoke up our collective skirts, or he was given money by parties unknown and he is making the most of it.

The thing that offends me is the raw arrogance...there is another thread wherein kamil states something to the effect that he loves attention, good or bad. Perhaps what we are seeing is not arrogance at all, but insecurity...

i remember being a cocky college kid. but i was never like that....

i was so sure that i would make it big because i was just so smart and creative.

when i got out i went to work in a big firm and soon was drawing toilet details just like all the other recent hires.

whatever.

as for watches? in my life i dont seek out anything that i dont really need. if i have a watch that is one more thing to look after. i have plenty to look after already. my cell has a clock so i use that. simple.

as for a rolex? never in this lifetime. just doesnt interest me at all.

now a 55 gullwing? that i wouldnt mind having.

probably wont ever though.

tom w

Well, he seems to be maintaining pretty decent grades. However, you are right. Performance is what counts.

Blowing up your skirt maybe. I don't wear skirts except on Fri nights.

As long as a person has results, I will put up with their arrogance. When they fail to produce, look out. I have worked with a lot of good people who are arrogant. To which I say "Good for you". You have the results so go flaunt it. When you fail tho, prepare for :behead:

Well, you don't start out CEO. Everyone starts out from the bottom of the ladder unless you are independently wealthy and own the company. However, if that were the case, you could easily run it aground if you don't know what you are doing.

I have 2 teens (and 2 post teens) none of whom have ever had to work a day in their entire lives. The three oldest have cars that I bought and paid for myself--including insurance.

I just finished having a "discussion" with one of my kids. She does not understand why I won't pay for her to fly out to visit her friends. The way she makes it sound I am depriving her of her god-given right to travel all over the country to meet her friends.

She is up in her room, pouting. Oh well.

So I feel your pain dave.

Thanks for putting things in perspective, Benz-Lgb. I was a young man once myself, though my parents encouraged me to get a job when I turned 16. They were not going to let me turn into a clone of the self important jacka** kids at my school.

AKLIM, getting results does not give a person to be arrogant.

That's just wrong.

Abe Lincoln was perhaps the most accomplished President this country has ever known--and will probably ever know.

By all accounts Abe did not have a single arrogant bone in his tall, lanky body.

I have no use for arrogance, no matter how accomplished the person is.

The bigger they are, the harder they fall.

She will thank you one day, but you already know that. :)

John, he will learn, he will learn. :eek:

I worked since I was 16, not so much out of desire (hell, I wanted to party like everyone else) but out of necessity. :(

Hard work is good...having a trust fund would have been even better. :D

Well, I'd rather hire somebody that is arrogant but can produce than someone who is not but cannot produce. Again, results count for me.

You have the Maranda rights. You can also choose to waive your maranda rights. Yes, I would like it if they weren't arrogant AND could produce. However, the first thing I look for is production.

Would you really choose a non-arrogant person over an arrogant person if performance wasn't the same? IOW the arrogant person had a 95% success ate while the non-arrogant had a 50% success rate? I wouldn't.

Not always true tho.

My little sister had a friend who was one of 9 kids. The parents had a neat ritual for each kid's 18th birthday:
They had a birthday/moving party.
The kid would be given an apartment in a building owned by the dad, with 3 months of free rent.
Starting in month 4, they either paid up or got out

The parents apparently knew they couldn't put all those kids through college and couldn't just have them lounging around forever so they helped the kids grow up and become responsible members of society.

Or do a Menandez on you. What about the Iraqi vet that came home only to get killed by his step-daughter? Those things can happen. Not only the good but sometimes the bad happens.

I didn't really want to work at the time myself, but my parents were making a huge sacrifice to send me to a private high school.

I can still remember to the penny how much the first set of tires cost that I bought when I got my first job. $324.71 for a set of four Michelin X radials.