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TheDon · #1 08-26-2006, 09:34 AM

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Teenager with knife shot, killed by police
A 19-year-old, described as a loner and accused of slashing her mother at their Huntington Beach home, threatened officers in a park, police said.
By JEFF OVERLEY and KIMBERLY EDDS
THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER

HUNTINGTON BEACH – Those who knew her said she dressed all in black, listened to heavy metal and didn't have many friends. Fights with her mother were common.

Ashley MacDonald's life was often unhappy, and acquaintances could only shake their heads Friday when news of the 19-year-old's death coursed through her Huntington Beach neighborhood.

Police said Ashley slashed her mother with a knife Friday morning and a short time later sprung with the weapon at police officers, who shot and killed her.

"They repeatedly asked her to drop the knife," Sheriff's Department spokesman Jim Amormino said. "She lunged toward the officers and that's when they shot at her."

Mike Buckley, who lives down the street from MacDonald's residence and knew her for eight years, called her a "loner" who attended continuation high school and spent her time reading books and listening to hard rock.

"Just one of those troubled teens who never got out of being sad," Buckley said. "She just doesn't get along with her mom."

Buckley and others said MacDonald, who was 5 feet 4 inches tall and 120 pounds, had once been a "cutter," someone who makes superficial cuts to their own body.

At about 7:30 a.m. Friday, MacDonald turned a knife on her mother during an argument, cutting her on the wrist, authorities said.

Leaving her bleeding mother behind, MacDonald ran from the Huntington Highlander apartment the two shared and down to Sun View Park next door, knife in hand.

A passerby called police after seeing the despondent teen wandering down the street holding the bloody knife just after 7:40 a.m. Two officers confronted MacDonald near the yellow and blue jungle gym in the middle of the park and asked her to lay down the knife.

Patrick Carignan, who lives across the street from the park, was watching "Star Trek" in his living room when he heard shouts of "Drop the knife, drop the knife!"

He dashed outside just as officers opened fire, striking MacDonald at least twice in the upper torso. "She should have dropped the knife," Carignan said, shaking his head. "Something's wrong with you when you don't drop a knife at that close of range."

As part of an autopsy, blood tests will be conducted to determine if MacDonald was under the influence of drugs. "She was acting very strange," Amormino said.

Hearing the gunshots down the street, MacDonald's mother, who authorities would not identify, ran to the park, leaving a trail of blood about 100 yards long. She found her daughter lying on the lawn, near a playground padded with wood chips.

Paramedics took the gravely wounded teen to Huntington Beach Hospital, where she died Friday afternoon.

Some neighbors expressed doubts about the need for the shooting. "Policemen should have been able to disarm her of that knife without shooting her dead," resident Roger Bixby, who heard but did not see the shooting, said.

Amormino said that "someone armed with a knife is a very dangerous person and the officers have a right to defend themselves." The Orange County Sheriff's Department is investigating the shooting. The city contracts with the sheriff to investigate all of its officer-involved shootings.

Ashley's mother, who suffered superficial wounds to her wrists, broke into hysterics when authorities told her Ashley had succumbed. An ambulance was summoned, and took Ashley's mother away to the same hospital where her daughter died.

"My daughter!" Ashley's mother screamed before being taken away. "She was mine, and they killed her."

Neighbor Nancy Jauod and her daughter Aspen, 15, heard the shooting, and said they were shaken by the turmoil in their normally quiet neighborhood, with its green park and elementary school.

"It's very traumatic to see that," Nancy Jauod said. "It is such a shame. She is so young. Being a mother, and my daughter's just 15, it's like, 'Oh, my God.' "

http://ocregister.com/ocregister/homepage/abox/article_1255662.php

read it.. please for god sake read it... that was my cousin that was shot my the police.. 5 shots.. and she had a knife... a ****ing knife... what the **** is the police's problem.. they could have taken her down from behind, or tases her.. but fired shots.. knife..gun..knife..gun...she had no shot at defence she was not a threat...she did not go after people.. its complete lies and slander...

thats my cousin,i know the whole story we know the whole thing behind why she was out there... people in cali i need your help, my uncle is her father and he lives in CT he just got word this morning ... IMHO that was an over excessive use of force.. i would have those cops fired and the force sued.. that... totally wrong

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mormino said that "someone armed with a knife is a very dangerous person and the officers have a right to defend themselves." The Orange County Sheriff's Department is investigating the shooting. The city contracts with the sheriff to investigate all of its officer-involved shootings.

yea..but an officer with a gun is a fluffy bear... this country is ****ed up..

Kuan · #2 08-26-2006, 09:38 AM

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TheDon · #3 08-26-2006, 09:40 AM

fixed it

Kuan · #4 08-26-2006, 09:43 AM

I'm so sorry for your loss. It's going to be a difficult time for you and your family. I wish you the best. It's bad enough that you've lost a loved one, but in these types of circumstances. I can't do anything but offer my support. Hang in there.

waybomb · #5 08-26-2006, 09:48 AM

The country is not f**up. In this case, a bunch of power hungry self righteous macho cops are f** up. I hope they get the book thrown at at them, but I doubt it.

I know a few cops. One was a good freind in high school. Talk about a bunch of power hungry, -am the law attitude people. Is it just there personality, or is the system cops work under, that makes them that way.

Dee8go · #6 08-26-2006, 09:50 AM

I'm sorry to hear that, too. It sounds like a very sad story that started a long time before yesterday. There are certinly no winners in a situation like that. Everybody loses. My condolences to you and your family, Don.

Carleton Hughes · #7 08-26-2006, 09:53 AM

We call it "suicide by cop"here on the island,happens with disturbing regularity.

Kuan · #8 08-26-2006, 09:53 AM

Yeah a bunch of policemen can't disarm a 120lb teenage girl with a knife. There better be a real good excuse.

TheDon · #9 08-26-2006, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Carleton Hughes

We call it "suicide by cop"here on the island,happens with disturbing regularity.

she wasnt suicidal, she got over her "cutting thing"....she was no threat.my uncle is not taking this well i think...he has been trying for 10 years now to get her away from her mother but her mom wasnt letting her go, not letting her get a job, go out with her friends, have friends etc... her mother is the reason for this, the cops just went to far

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Originally Posted by Kuan

Yeah a bunch of policemen can't disarm a 120lb teenage girl with a knife. There better be a real good excuse.

their is no excuse.... none... i need to find out about the funeral, i have to go to it.. im frign broke.. i have no idea what my end of the MacDonald family is doing.. i want go to cali

we have any lawyers here on mercedesshop.. i want your input...

riethoven · #10 08-26-2006, 09:57 AM

Very sorry to hear about your cousin. It looks like a blatant case of excessive force, but the police won't even get a slap on the wrist. It wasn't like they couldn't see her hand. She was holding the knife. They could have just surrounded her until she just calmed down. Regardless of what they could have done your cousin is gone and any punishment meted out can't bring her back.

My condolences to you and your family.

TheDon · #11 08-26-2006, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by riethoven

Very sorry to hear about your cousin. It looks like a blatant case of excessive force, but the police won't even get a slap on the wrist. It wasn't like they couldn't see her hand. She was holding the knife. They could have just surrounded her until she just calmed down. Regardless of what they could have done your cousin is gone and any punishment meted out can't bring her back.

My condolences to you and your family.

thankyou..

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They could have just surrounded her until she just calmed down.

well apparently the gumshoes thought it was alot more effective to take her down with some bullets instead of a bean bag round

i know shes gone, i know she cant come back.. but why.. why.. couldnt they use less than lethal weapons, surely one of the 5 cops had a taser or pepper spray...

Carleton Hughes · #12 08-26-2006, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDon

she wasnt suicidal, she got over her "cutting thing"....she was no threat.my uncle is not taking this well i think...he has been trying for 10 years now to get her away from her mother but her mom wasnt letting her go, not letting her get a job, go out with her friends, have friends etc... her mother is the reason for this, the cops just went to far

Excessive force,you betcha,where in HELL were the tasers??

What gets me is focusing the onus on the Mom,she may indeed be all you claim,in which case { I know hindsight sucks} but wasn't there anyone in whom she could have confided in who could give her some help?
She was 19 and probably in a very screwed up place so there must have been some symbiotic cord that prevented the 19 year old from leaving.

My condolences,lost a cousin in similar circumstances.

TheDon · #13 08-26-2006, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Carleton Hughes

Excessive force,you betcha,where in HELL were the tasers??

What gets me is focusing the onus on the Mom,she may indeed be all you claim,in which case { I know hindsight sucks} but wasn't there anyone in whom she could have confided in who could give her some help?
She was 19 and probably in a very screwed up place so there must have been some symbiotic cord that prevented the 19 year old from leaving.

My condolences,lost a cousin in similar circumstances.

ashley wanted to leave her mother, she has run away before from her..her mother was controlling... she couldnt get a job to get money to leave because her mom wouldnt let her, my uncle couldnt afford to get her out because he is having money issues,

Botnst · #14 08-26-2006, 10:14 AM

Oh man, that's a tough one, Don. Have you anybody that you can talk to about it?

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Botnst · #15 08-26-2006, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDon

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we have any lawyers here on mercedesshop.. i want your input...

Ethically and probably legally they can't do that, Don. You are absolutely right that you need to talk to somebody who can help you get this straight.

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