Originally Posted by cmac2012 (Post 1281463)

Oh boy. Selling cereal. Was the third Reich up on that trick?

What parts of the words "propaganda" and "lies" elude you?

P-R-O-P-A-G-A-N-D-A.

L-I-E-S.

We got good men getting their arms and legs blown off in part due to effective propaganda spun around 9/11. Dramatization my left bottom buttock.

Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 1281480)

I'm guessing that you and Old300D didn't actually read his little essay. The degree to which it is propaganda is more evident to people who actually saw the series, read the 9/11 Commission Report and read the guy's essay. Of those three things I have done all except watch the series. How about you two and dCulkin?

What a person says concerning his own work maybe propagandistic. Especially if the guy is from Hollywood, I would think it would be at the very least self-serving. But dismissing what the man himself said of his own work is just plain willfully ignorant.

Can you think of a dumber thing to do when offering criticism of a piece, NOT read what the author says of his own work?

Bot

Originally Posted by cmac2012 (Post 1281460)

I'll go along with this, mostly.

You have the presence of mine to realize it's propa... I mean, a dramatization. Another part from that piece that I posted has a conservative commentator waxing eloquent about how amazing it is that Clinton would be so incompetent to let such a thing happen -- that is, exactly like the fictional scene depicted.

You remember how Reagan would recount historical events to bolster some point he was making? Only trouble was it wasn't actual history he was recalling but movie history? Our republic will survive this docu-drama, and I did not get hysterical about, thank you so much. However, Clinton and gang were right to object to slightly altered versions of history being mainlined into people's minds. A lot of people are probably going to believe that account til their grave, at this point.

That's why propo needs to be exposed and struck down when possible. It's insidious and an enemy of freedom (how's that for stirring patriot talk?).

Originally Posted by cmac2012 (Post 1281533)

Yes, I read the piece. Did you read my post where I elaborated on the NY Times article he referenced in his essay? He said:

The hysteria engendered by the series found more than one target. In addition to the death threats and hate mail directed at me, and my grotesque portrayal as a maddened right-winger, there developed an impassioned search for incriminating evidence on everyone else connected to the film. And in director David Cunningham, the searchers found paydirt! His father had founded a Christian youth outreach mission. The whiff of the younger Mr. Cunningham's possible connection to this enterprise was enough to set the hounds of suspicion baying. A religious mission! A New York Times reporter wrote, without irony or explanation, that an issue that raised questions about the director was his involvement in his father's outreach work. In the era of McCarthyism, the merest hint of a connection to communism sufficed to inspire dark accusations, the certainty that the accused was part of a malign conspiracy. Today, apparently, you can get something of that effect by charging a connection with a Christian mission.

Yep, the NY Times didn't explain it but the Nation did, and this I know because of FAIR's radio broadcast. It's just short of amazing the irony they uncover.

If you're interested (since you abhor not getting the full info on varius topics) you can listen to this episode of Counterspin that describes the way Disney created buzz for the film among various righty pundits but witheld info about it from others.

Selling cereal. Disney makes no secret of it's tilt, providing the foundation for such unbiased truth-tellers such as Limbaugh and Hannity. You ought to hear some of the farm team radio hosts on SF's KSFO, one of Disney's flagship stations. They make Hannity look fair and balanced.

Originally Posted by peragro (Post 1281536)

I'm gonna go with the toe-licker on this one:

Clinton - 8 years of ignoring the problem

Bush - 8 months of ignoring the problem

Assign blame accordingly.

Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 1281429)

Had a propaganda piece been presented as though it were a documentary that would be unconscionable and malicious deceit.

Bot

Originally Posted by John Doe (Post 1281095)

Its a layered 'sandwich' product that is 5/8" thick that is generally laid on top of a foam insulating/moisture barrier. I'm just sayin' it walks much softer than my 3/4" thick red oak floors (a golf ball won't bounce nearly as high off the bamboo floor when dropped from the same distance)....

Originally Posted by peragro (Post 1281536)

I'm gonna go with the toe-licker on this one:

Clinton - 8 years of ignoring the problem

Bush - 8 months of ignoring the problem

Assign blame accordingly.

Originally Posted by peragro (Post 1281539)

So what's your point here?

Is having one's father found a religous organization indicative of something other than one's father likes religous organizations?

Originally Posted by cmac2012 (Post 1281654)

And if Clinton had invaded to get OBL, things would be peachy now? This crap has been picking up momentum for a long time. I don't think Clinton or Bush have covered themselves with glory but at least Clinton didn't take us to the brink of bankruptcy with international scorn thrown in.

Originally Posted by peragro (Post 1281657)

No, he took us to the actuality of two towers being blown up. In light of that I really don't give a crap about international scorn. Which, by that, you mean the French, Germans and Russians. Not really our historical friends anyway.

Originally Posted by cmac2012 (Post 1281656)

It is a fanatical Christian organization bent on forcing Christianity on us at a state level, not unlike the Islamo whackos we're supposed to hate.

Maybe Disney's into that stuff.

Originally Posted by peragro (Post 1281668)

Hey, alright! There's that liberal islamofascists=christians organizations equivalency that only lives in the conspirational minds of progressives.

Originally Posted by cmac2012 (Post 1281676)

Religious fanatics are surprisingly alike in many ways. If you weren't in so big a hurry to fling mud, above all else, you might concede that I have a point.

Intolerance of the infidel, insistance on female subjegation my man, absolute belief in the WORD OF GOD-UH.

AND TO THEM IN THIS DISPENSATION - UH! WAS GIVEN UNTO THEM-UH! THE SPOKEN WORD OF THE LIVING GOD-UH! SAYING TAKE MY MESSAGE UNTO THE FAR REACHES OF THE EARTH-UH! AND PREPARE THE WAY FOR THE COMING OF THE LORD-UH!