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Old 09-21-2006, 05:10 PM
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I got this via email. Is this accurate.

The following senators voted against making English the official language of America:

Akaka (D-HI)
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Dayton (D-MN)
Dodd (D-CT)
Domenici (R-NM)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Obama (D-IL)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Wyden (D-OR)

Now, these are the senators who voted to give illegal aliens Social Security benefits. Regardless of political party, these politicians need to be defeated in 2006, 2008 or 2010, whenever they come up for office. They are grouped by home state. If a state is not listed, there was no voting representative.

Alaska: Stevens (R)
Arizona: McCain (R)
Arkansas: Lincoln (D) Pryor (D)
California: Boxer (D) Feinstein (D)
Colorado: Salazar (D)
Connecticut: Dodd (D) Lieberman (D)
Delaware: Biden (D) Carper (D)
Florida: Martinez (R)
Hawaii: Akaka (D) Inouye (D)
Illinois: Durbin (D) Obama (D)
Indiana: Bayh (D) Lugar (R)
Iowa: Harkin (D)
Kansas: Brownback (R)
Louisiana: Landrieu (D)
Maryland: Mikulski (D) Sarbanes (D)
Massachusetts: Kennedy (D) Kerry (D)
Montana: Baucus (D)
Nebraska: Hagel (R)
Nevada: Reid (D)
New Jersey: Lautenberg (D) Menendez (D)
New Mexico: Bingaman (D)
New York: Clinton (D) Schumer (D)
North Dakota: Dorgan (D)
Ohio: DeWine (R) Voinovich(R)
Oregon: Wyden (D)
Pennsylvania: Specter (R)
Rhode Island: Chafee (R) Reed (D)
South Carolina: Graham (R)
South Dakota: Johnson (D)
Vermont: Jeffords (I) Leahy (D)
Washington: Cantwell (D) Murray (D)
West Virginia: Rockefeller (D), by Not Voting
Wisconsin: Feingold (D) Kohl (D)

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Old 09-21-2006, 05:20 PM
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I'm curious -- how many countries in the world have an "official language"? Bueller? Bueller? Anyone? (sorry -- that last bit was shamelessly lifted)
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Old 09-21-2006, 05:24 PM
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If you don't pay into the "social security" program you should not get "social services" -- as simple as that. The fact that any governing body/person would vote that people that do not contribute should get the benefit is silly.
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Old 09-21-2006, 05:24 PM
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I never believe emails as "truth" because they so rarely are. If you really want to know the answer, I'd suggest you search the internet for it and try to find a real site with real figures.

If you're gonna believe random emails, then you might as well believe in advertising.
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Old 09-21-2006, 05:26 PM
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I never believe emails as "truth" because they so rarely are. If you really want to know the answer, I'd suggest you search the internet for it and try to find a real site with real figures.

If you're gonna believe random emails, then you might as well believe in advertising.
Thank you for your most helpful suggestion. In the future, to prevent being burdened with my trivial queries, why not just avoid anything posted iwth me as the author?
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Old 09-21-2006, 05:30 PM
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From Wikipedia:

52 countries: English
31 countries: French
26 countries: Arabic
22 countries: Spanish
10 countries: Portuguese
7 countries: German
6 countries: Italian
5 countries: Dutch, Russian
4 countries: Croatian, Turkish
3 countries: Albanian, Chinese, Hungarian, Korean, Malay, Persian, Romanian, Serbian, Slovene, Tamil, Swahili, Swazi, Urdu
2 countries: Aymara, Bengali, Greek, Hindi, Japanese, Kazakh, Kyrgyz, Mongolian, Quechua, Slovak, Swedish, Tajik

That's a lot more than I thought. The article also adds this interesting little tidbit:

"The USA Federal Government can not declare an official language by federal law, since the United States is comprised of sovereign states. The official language is decided by a majority of the states whose official languages are declared; English is the first language by custom and majority."
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Old 09-21-2006, 05:31 PM
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Apparently partly true....

What were you thinking asking a question on this forum Bot? What do you think we are, friendly folks eager to help our fellow humans

Here you go



http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/englishvote.asp
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Old 09-21-2006, 05:35 PM
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What were you thinking asking a question on this forum Bot? What do you think we are, friendly folks eager to help our fellow humans

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http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/englishvote.asp
Thanks.

You gotta f**king love the Senate. Snopes explains:

This amendment was passed the next day by a vote of 62-35, which is the vote referred to in the e-mail message quoted above. However, the message errs in stating that 38 senators voted against the amendment — 35 senators (all of them Democrats, save for one Republican and one Independent) voted "Nay," and 3 senators (two Republicans and one Democrat) did not vote at all. (Also, the version we received is missing one name, as Senator Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, who also voted against the amendment, is not listed.)

The issue became even more complicated when, half an hour after amendment 4064 was passed, the Senate voted on amendment 4073. This amendment sought to "Declare that English is the common and unifying language of the United States, and to preserve and enhance the role of the English language." The relevant section of the amendment (as passed) read as follows:
The Government of the United States shall preserve and enhance the role of English as the common and unifying language of America. Nothing herein shall diminish or expand any existing rights under the law of the United States relative to services or materials provided by the Government of the United States in any language other than English.

For the purposes of this section, law is defined as including provisions of the United States Code and the United States Constitution, controlling judicial decisions, regulations, and controlling Presidential Executive Orders.
In other words, this amendment contradicted the previously passed amendment by declaring that English was to be regarded as "the common and unifying language of America" (rather than the "national language of the United States of America"), and that whatever obligations the federal government had to provide or honor documents and services in languages other than English should remain unchanged. This amendment also passed, by a vote of 58-39. (No Democrats voted against this amendment, although 14 Republicans and one Independent voted in favor of it.) Altogether, 22 senators voted in favor of both amendments, making it difficult to determine exactly where they stood on the "official language" question.
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Why do we need an official language?
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Old 09-21-2006, 05:49 PM
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Why do we need an official language?
Got to Burlington, NC and there are so many Mexicans living there, there are car dealerships, mobile phone stores (and of course mercados) that have signeage completely in Spanish and no one in the stores speak English.

What if a hospital in Brownsville decided to do this and you and your wife and kids had just moved there, didn't speak espanol and your kid had to go to the hospital, and you know what I am trying to say.

The Mexican kids in the schools in NC are a huge burden on the system that has to make special accomodations for them.

I also think if they want to live here so damn bad, they ought to have to take a freaking english language competency test to get their green cards, visas or ultimately citizenship.

I think it is a matter of uniformity that makes things simpler. How do all you Canada worshipping liberals feel about Quebec's ban on english? And that ain't no snope
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Old 09-21-2006, 05:54 PM
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Why do we need an official language?
So when I go to McDonalds and order a number 4, go big with a coke, the person taking the order will know what buttons on the register to push
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What language should airline or ship's pilots speak in the USA? How about traffic cops and civil engineers?

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What language should airline or ship's pilots speak in the USA? How about traffic cops and civil engineers?

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Old 09-21-2006, 07:20 PM
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Geez, everybody seems to be a democrat on that list...
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Old 09-21-2006, 07:51 PM
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Yes!

ooh, both of my senators are on each list...is this a good thing???

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