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Old 11-08-2006, 05:57 AM
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so there are two undecided senate races. at this time 554 am the dems are ahead in both.

if they win, i agree moderate behaviour is in order. definately no impeachment. operate from the center. forget going radical with a slim majority. (even if they won big operating from the center is the proper way to go).

i guess maybe the repubs don't own diebold after all. (it would be just as bad for the country if the dems did).

thank God.

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Old 11-08-2006, 11:24 AM
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Now that the Dems control the dog and pony show, it will be interesting to see what they do with it. I'm thinking they will take aim at Rumsfeld first and foremost. They can and probably will hold lots of hearings to highlight every single misstep he and the administration have made concerning the war. Anyone hear John Murtha talking last night? He's running for Majority Leader and would seem to have a good chance. It doesn't sound like he is in a very forgiving mood toward the administration.

I won't be surprised if Bush finally does get rid of Rummy before The inauguration. He will be an even bigger political liability after January than he is now.

Nancy Pelosi, aka the bogeywoman, talked about bringing lots of legislation up for votes in the first 100 hours they are in power. I can't wait to see if it happens.

I also wonder if Republican moderates are going to be able to make a comeback anytime in the near future.

Although I was pleased to see the Dems do so well, I was not happy to see Linc Chafee lose in Rhode Island. I used to see him quite frequently in my former line of work and he is definitely a good man, very far removed from your typical politician.

Oh yeah, I thought the best line I hear during the election coverage came from an NPR reporter in Ohio, who said "The only bad news for Democrats in Ohio tonight is the Britney Spears-Kevin Federline breakup."
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Old 11-08-2006, 11:41 AM
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Excellent synopsis.

To me it this election is the 2nd-best outcome.

The best outcome would be for close elections to go to neither Repo nor Demo but to go to 3rd party candidates. Second best is a divided gov with at least one house in the opposition to the Executive.

I was just watching Charlie Rose and one of the talking heads made an excellent point, IMO. The Democrats need to restrain themselves from over-reaching in their newly-acquired oversight capacity. Look for legitimate grievances but for goodness sakes at least appear to avoid using the power for crass political purposes (this is the Repo transgression vs Clinton--Repos went too far).

Conversely, the Repos should remember that they gained power by being the reform party, a central point they have suppressed in the past 3-6 years in power. In the 1990's they were the cure for the problem and they stupidly became that which they sought to reform.

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Old 11-08-2006, 01:52 PM
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I hate having to start this thread with, "I did not vote for Bush", but given the misunderstanding concerning Med, apparently this is important: I did not vote for Bush!!!!!!

That said, I hope all you high fivers like gridlock better than you liked a Republican house, because that is about to happen. If there were a moderate speaker rather than Pelosi, my prediction wouldn't be so dire, but that ***** is going to polarize worse than Karl Rove ever dared attempt. So congratulations, you die hard Democrats, because you won last night, but don't expect anything to change.

PS: To further define my party (not) affiliations, yesterday I voted for a Libertarian candidate for Senate, an Independant for the House and for three "liberal" judges (you can't affiliate party in judicial elections here.)
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Old 11-08-2006, 01:56 PM
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I hate having to start this thread with, "I did not vote for Bush", but given the misunderstanding concerning Med, apparently this is important: I did not vote for Bush!!!!!!

That said, I hope all you high fivers like gridlock better than you liked a Republican house, because that is about to happen. If there were a moderate speaker rather than Pelosi, my prediction wouldn't be so dire, but that ***** is going to polarize worse than Karl Rove ever dared attempt. So congratulations, you die hard Democrats, because you won last night, but don't expect anything to change.

PS: To further define my party (not) affiliations, yesterday I voted for a Libertarian candidate for Senate, an Independant for the House and for three "liberal" judges (you can't affiliate party in judicial elections here.)
I'll happily take the bogeywoman over the current state of affairs.
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Old 11-08-2006, 01:57 PM
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...If there were a moderate speaker rather than Pelosi, my prediction wouldn't be so dire, but that ***** is going to polarize worse than Karl Rove ever dared attempt...
Not if she's smart. We'll see.

As for nothing changing, Conyers and Waxman are probably printing up subpoenas as we speak. So, we've gone from no oversight to some oversight. That's a change right there. For the better, I hope.

And I'm OK with gridlock.

BTW, I didn't vote for Bush, either.
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Old 11-08-2006, 01:59 PM
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I'll happily take the bogeywoman over the current state of affairs.
You assume then, that things can't get worse. This would be a tough position for me, because I would rather have bad than worse. To each his own, I guess
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Old 11-08-2006, 02:02 PM
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Not if she's smart. We'll see.D
She called him the worst leader ever yesterday and "the emperor with no clothes." If she can restrain herself no more than that, she isn't smart.

He's going to veto everything that ***** puts up. Maybe Webb and that guy from Montana will be able to help with that......'course there's Joe L........
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Old 11-08-2006, 02:06 PM
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She called him the worst leader ever yesterday and "the emperor with no clothes." If she can restrain herself no more than that, she isn't smart.
And the GOP has been blasting Nancy pretty good, too. They're all big boys and girls. They need to get over it.
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He's going to veto everything that ***** puts up...
Is that any way to play nice?

I fear that you are right about Pelosi, but she has an opportunity to show people how the House should be run. After the series of clowns that preceded her in the Speaker's chair, it shouldn't be too hard to draw a contrast. I'm allowed to be optimistic, right?
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Old 11-08-2006, 02:09 PM
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Old 11-08-2006, 02:09 PM
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Well put. I think Pelosi is more solid than people give her credit for. Her father was mayor of Balitmore, I believe. Some neat pictures of her as a pretty young girl in the car at various innagural parades.

She's saying she wants no retribution and an honest and above board operation. I think she was smart to say impeachment is off the table. It'd be a GDed circus. Leave that crap to the Repos.

But if the Dems actually take the senate, looks like they might (?!??!), could be the impeachment brew ha-ha will pick up momentum. I think it'd be a mistake. I'll be happy with Dubbers have checks and balances for a change.

Can you say Quack, Quack!! while limping, Mr. Bush?
I only hope your assessment of Pelosi and the dems leadership will prove to be correct. Who wants the country to destroy itself over partisan bickering. Impeachment hearings would be a big mistake.
The problem the dems face is that now they must govern; not merely whine and criticize what others do. It is far more difficult to act positiviely than tp snipe. You know, losing seems to bring the dem's kook fringe to the fore; perhaps winning will put them back on the back bench
For the good of the country, i wish them well.
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Old 11-08-2006, 02:13 PM
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.....but she has an opportunity to show people how the House should be run. After the series of clowns that preceded her in the Speaker's chair, it shouldn't be too hard to draw a contrast. I'm allowed to be optimistic, right?
My sentiments exactly. Maybe it is optimistic, but I think the House will do a better job over the next two years than they have over the past two.

And I don't see any sense in blasting Pelosi's leadership abilities before she's had a chance to lead.
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Old 11-08-2006, 02:57 PM
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First Amendment? Like that isn't what goes on here everyday? Please.
Prognosticate away then.
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Old 11-08-2006, 02:58 PM
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First Amendment? Like that isn't what goes on here everyday? Please.
He didn't say it doesn't go on here everyday. He just said there isn't any sense in it. I can relate to that point of view.
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