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Old 11-11-2006, 08:02 PM
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Consumer reports nails mercedes again :(



Least reliable (Worst score first)
Cadillac STS (V8)
2006 Mercees-Benz S-class
Mercedes-Benz CLS*
Mercedes-Benz E-class sedan
BMW 7-series
Jaguar S-type

Least reliable (Worst score first)
Pontiac Solstice*
Mercedes-Benz SL
Mercedes-Benz CLK
Mercedes-Benz SLK (V6)
Chevrolet Corvette
Porshce 911 Carrera
Ford Mustang (V6)

Least reliable (Worst score first)
Mercedes-Benz M-class*
Land Rover LR3 (V8)
Cadillac SRX (V8)
Mercedes-Benz R-class*
Volkswagen Touareg
Jeep Grand Cherokee
Hummer H3*
2006 BMW X5 (V8)
Volvo XC90 (I6 and V8)
Ford Explorer (V8)
Mercury Mountaineer (V8)


2007 models unless otherwise noted.
*Predicted reliability based on only one model year.
European models scored the worse overall.


I know the arguments. Benz buyers are most likely to complain, consumer reports sucks, yada yada yada...but yikes
http://money.cnn.com/popups/2006/autos/reliable/index.html


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as far as i'm concerned consumers report is a joke.they are so bias to the jap cars it's pitiful.
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Old 11-11-2006, 10:22 PM
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as far as I'm concerned consumers report is a joke.they are so bias to the jap cars it's pitiful.
Well, in a way it's a good job it's only ''as far as you are concerned.''
Tell me....how is it that, statistical figures, taken from consumer feed back that add up to a 'better' 'worse' in percentages can be construed to be biased....would a teacher, marking work, also be considered biased if the people getting F, said it was biased based on their lousy performance.

Or, could the team who always comes in last or nearly last in F1 also use that as an excuse, to claim they where really 1st but the way the scores are kept are biased against them ?

Mercedes latest vehicles are an embarrassment...to them and the dealerships that have to deal with the customers who thought they'd got a reliable quality vehicle.



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Old 11-11-2006, 10:35 PM
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the editors are just jealous they cant own a nice car... i dont like consumer reports.. let me test the car myself... if i like it, i like it. if not then i dont.. hell i could test drive a lada and like it over an accord
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Actually, in 1994 Consumer Reports tested mid-size sedans, and they rated a 300E their highest-rated car of all time (up to that point).

The reliability data is purely from reports of owners. I've filled out a few of those surveys myself.
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Old 11-12-2006, 01:18 AM
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Actually, in 1994 Consumer Reports tested mid-size sedans, and they rated a 300E their highest-rated car of all time (up to that point).

The reliability data is purely from reports of owners. I've filled out a few of those surveys myself.
Well good because I own a 1993 300e and a 2006 V6 mustang...so one out of two:
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So what actually is the most reliable Mercedes, since say 1992?
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Old 11-12-2006, 07:15 AM
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If you seek "reliability" ...

....buy a Japanese car
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Old 11-12-2006, 10:10 AM
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Tell me....how is it that, statistical figures, taken from consumer feed back that add up to a 'better' 'worse' in percentages can be construed to be biased....would a teacher, marking work, also be considered biased if the people getting F, said it was biased based on their lousy performance.
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The sample population is CS subscribers. The inference is that the CS subscriber ratings reflect the ratings of all car owners. Without demographics on CS subscribers we have no way of verifying the validity of that assumption.

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The sample population is CS subscribers. The inference is that the CS subscriber ratings reflect the ratings of all car owners. Without demographics on CS subscribers we have no way of verifying the validity of that assumption.

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It's worse than just that. It's a sample of CS subscribers who bother to return the rating for their car.
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Old 11-12-2006, 11:43 AM
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Naturally, those that do return the questionaire are motivated by something to do so - either because they are significantly elated*, or they want revenge for having something go wrong on a car that they spent $$$ money on.


*this way, they also get to "brag" about how great their car is, and give domestics a black eye.
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Old 11-12-2006, 11:48 AM
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At least GM takes the lead in the luxury car and sporty car areas. I thought the STS would have been ironed out by now. Isn't the solstice a Opel?
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Old 11-12-2006, 11:51 AM
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The sample population is CS subscribers. The inference is that the CS subscriber ratings reflect the ratings of all car owners. Without demographics on CS subscribers we have no way of verifying the validity of that assumption.

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While the demographics of CR subscribers are clearly different than the full population of owners, I don't see how the demographics differences between the two groups would affect the outcome.

The individuals merely report issues with the vehicle. Their results may vary as compared to the general population, but, the relative percentages between vehicles will probably be similar.

I value the statistics as provided by CR. What I question is their subjective evaluations of the vehicles. Here is where the bias of the driver will definitely come to bear. The driver should be escorted into the vehicle without being able to see it's moniker. All interior badging should be removed. Let the driver evaluate the vehicle without knowing, in advance, who the manufacturer is. Bet the results might be significantly different.
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Conspicuously absent in this thread are the members (with a few exceptions) bashing the domestic cars in the "all domestic cars suck" thread. Their silence is telling.
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Old 11-12-2006, 01:05 PM
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While the demographics of CR subscribers are clearly different than the full population of owners, I don't see how the demographics differences between the two groups would affect the outcome.

The individuals merely report issues with the vehicle. Their results may vary as compared to the general population, but, the relative percentages between vehicles will probably be similar.

I value the statistics as provided by CR. What I question is their subjective evaluations of the vehicles. Here is where the bias of the driver will definitely come to bear. The driver should be escorted into the vehicle without being able to see it's moniker. All interior badging should be removed. Let the driver evaluate the vehicle without knowing, in advance, who the manufacturer is. Bet the results might be significantly different.
For stats to be valid, the sample drawn from a population is assumed to have the same characteristics of the population as a whole. It maybe that CR has the same distribution as the larger population. Or it maybe so wildly different in some key category that the sample is biased. Without having demographics to compare we don't know anything about the validity of the comparison.

Let's imagine an example. Assume that CR subscribers are more likely to be tree-hugging, compost-mixing, goat-raising, pot-smoking back-to-the-land unreformed hippies than is found in the general population.

Would their answers be the same as the larger population? I don't know.

Why don't I know? Because I have no demographics to compare.

Or there's a huge vat of millions and millions of marbles composed of thousands of different colors. Somebody hands me a jar of marbles and tells me, "These marbles came from the vat. The greatest number of marbles in the jar is yellow." I publish an article about marble colors and say, "Most of the marbles in the vat are yellow."

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