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Old 11-02-2007, 11:23 AM
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The only shortages are in refineries, and money to buy it at the pump. Peak oil is a promulgated myth.

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Old 11-02-2007, 11:40 AM
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2. Historically OPEC has not been able to control its members when oil prices are high. Rampant quota cheating is always seen as the oil price rises. Why, in the granddaddy of all oil price spikes, would this time be any different? IMHO, every OPEC member is producing at 100% except for Saudi Arabia which has maybe 500,000 bpd spare capacity.
The Saudi's seem to be having trouble hitting their numbers. Yes, that OPEC is not flooding the market right now is remarkable, and probably tells you everything you need to know. That, and with Exxon having two quarters of declining profits is starting to put "peak oil" in the vocabulary. Crude is probably close to $30 rich in the price right now, but it's just a matter of time until anything we see now is cheap. Demand from China seems to be growing parabolic along with ever other problem the worry warts want to focus on - food, population, weather, water and funny bugs.
CYA and get ready to adapt. The Chinese character for disaster is the same as opportunity. It'll be five years after the fact we can know with any certainty that we've peaked, but the demand from the developing countries have effected the same result right now.
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Old 11-02-2007, 11:51 AM
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The only shortages are in refineries, and money to buy it at the pump. Peak oil is a promulgated myth.
Refinery capacity has doubled by expanding the existing refineries. It's money! If you know the business why build a huge plant that will never have the supply to refine. Much better to just expand what is all ready in play and get ready to get into nuclear.
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Old 11-02-2007, 12:08 PM
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The only shortages are in refineries, and money to buy it at the pump. Peak oil is a promulgated myth.

Yeah, I heard that on MSNBC and CNN too. Here are the actual refinery utilization numbers form the DOE. (ie what percentage of the US refinery capacity is online)

1997 --- 95.1%
1998 --- 95.3%
1999 --- 92.9%
2000 --- 92.3%
2001 --- 92.2%
2002 --- 89.9%
2003 --- 91.9%
2004 --- 92.3%
2005 --- 90.4%
2006 --- 89.4%
2007 --- 88.8%

If we were short on refineries, 2007 would not be the lowest utilization year in the last 10. Also interesting to note the recent similarity in the world crude production trend and the utilization trend.

http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pet_pnp_wiup_dcu_nus_w.htm
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Old 11-02-2007, 08:55 PM
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Anybody seen this documentary? It was recommended to me recently.

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http://www.oilcrashmovie.com/film.html
I think that's the one I heard part of the soundtrack of on a Berkeley public station. Pretty impressive. I'll track it down.

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