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t walgamuth · #1 12-02-2006, 07:14 AM

am i the only one thinking the new one is clueless?

his church is falling apart over the sex scandal and he is out irritating muslims and then going to their country to speak.

he needs to allow priests to marry......that would be a good start on solving the sex problem.

he seems to be thinking in the middle ages.

tom w

Kuan · #2 12-02-2006, 07:22 AM

What do you expect from the former head of the office of inquisition?

Actually I don't see the whole hoopla over going to Turkey to speak.

Carleton Hughes · #3 12-02-2006, 07:28 AM

I understand the infallible Gauleiter of God has introduced an old favorite song into the Liturgy,ever notice how his hand raised in benediction is strangely reminiscent of a salute used long ago in the thousand year reich?

http://www.anesi.com/east/horstw.wav

t walgamuth · #4 12-02-2006, 10:48 AM

so that song sounds like some used by the nazis, right?

scary.

tom w

cmac2012 · #5 12-02-2006, 11:14 AM

I have mixed feelings about him but I think he pulled off a master stroke in Turkey. The people were primed to hate him and he charmed them instead.

There's a link to a video of it here.

t walgamuth · #6 12-02-2006, 11:52 AM

good link.

so maybe not so clueless, heh?

he still needs to let the priests marry, and ordain women.

imho.

tom w

cmac2012 · #7 12-02-2006, 12:05 PM

I'll definitely agree the church is stuck in the middle ages in many ways.

With Islam v. Christianity tensions so high everywhere, I was surprisingly moved to see the pope do so well in Turkey. The guy redeemed himself in my eyes in large measure.

kerry · #8 12-02-2006, 12:53 PM

It doesn't surprise me very much that the Pope can get along well with Muslims. In many ways they are both medieval traditions trying to survive in the modern world. They have more in common with each other than either has with modern secular democracy. The place where this commonality is so obvious is in the role of women in both traditions. I have some vague recollection of Muslim/Catholic cooperation on a worldwide attempt to curb women's control of their bodies.

cmac2012 · #9 12-02-2006, 01:07 PM

That's a good point. None of that crowd is my particular cup of tea. Nonetheless, after the storm that brewed around the pope's remarks earlier about Islam, I'm happy to see some public civility.

#10 12-02-2006, 01:15 PM

The whole idea behind religion is clueless. I just don't see how anyone with any kind of intelligence can believe in an invisible man in the sky.

Example. Hell. A place of unimaginable torture ruled by a fallen angel where you go for all eternity if you do 1 sin that is not repented. I can't figure how an omnipotent and "loving" god would allow a place like that to exist.

The whole idea behind religion: "We can't explain it. God did it. The End."

Carleton Hughes · #11 12-02-2006, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ForcedInduction

The whole idea behind religion is clueless. I just don't see how anyone with any kind of intelligence can believe in an invisible man in the sky.

Example. Hell. A place of unimaginable torture ruled by a fallen angel where you go for all eternity if you do 1 sin that is not repented. I can't figure how an omnipotent and "loving" god would allow a place like that to exist.

The whole idea behind religion: "We can't explain it. God did it. The End."

For those still feeling the pull of superstition and fear may I recommend Ernest Becker's wonderful tome on the subject titled The Denial of Death.

Excellent,well reasoned read,the fellow in the link below gives a very good synopsis of it.

http://faculty.washington.edu/nelgee/lectures/speeches/hughes_1.htm

kerry · #12 12-02-2006, 01:25 PM

Religion doesn't really require belief in an invisible man in the sky, nor in supernatural miracles. Buddhism, Confucianism, Humanism and Liberal Protestantism or Catholicism are all versions of religion which reject all those things. Pre-modern or pre-scientific religion commonly include those kinds of beliefs but scientific or post-scientific religion don't require them.

#13 12-02-2006, 01:42 PM

My little "The whole idea behind religion" speech was based on the christian/jewish/muslim/catholic beliefs. They all believe in the same god, it's just different scripture and interpretation.

Buddhism believes in reincarnation. Just as bad as an invisible man to me.

cmac2012 · #14 12-02-2006, 01:48 PM

I think if it's a belief that you allow to be transplanted onto you and then you squeeze your eyes shut as tight as you can (Pat Robertson) in an attempt to believe it, that's lost in space land.

If something arises in your mind, and you can't explain it, and then just stay open to new stuff, more interesting forms of "religion" can open up.

Jesus said the kingdom of heaven is within you. Sort of a Buddhist way of looking at things also. Heaven and hell are states of mind, perhaps.

On reincarnation, who knows? That we're asking the question is pretty mysterious all by itself.

Carleton Hughes · #15 12-02-2006, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by kerry edwards

Religion doesn't really require belief in an invisible man in the sky, nor in supernatural miracles. Buddhism, Confucianism, Humanism and Liberal Protestantism or Catholicism are all versions of religion which reject all those things. Pre-modern or pre-scientific religion commonly include those kinds of beliefs but scientific or post-scientific religion don't require them.

You post-modern deist,you.