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Old 01-21-2007, 08:45 PM
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DSL/CABLE Internet service

We have suffered the last few years with sporadic internet service outages from our cable company (Mediacom). Calling their help line is especially frustrating because no matter when one calls the wait for a person on the other end to actually pick up the phone is at least 45 minutes. Then they will always require that someone come to our house (even though the problem is in the cruddy old lines on the street) to look around, which means we need to take a half day off from work to let them in.

Anyhow, I can get DSL service from the phone company (Qwest) for about $10 less per month. Does anyone here have Qwest DSL? Is it pretty reliable? Is it a lot slower than cable?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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Old 01-21-2007, 09:09 PM
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Depends on how far away you are from your Central Office. If you're not too far away, it is barely noticable.
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Old 01-21-2007, 09:33 PM
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If you are close to the switch it will likely be faster, you have dedicated bandwidth with most DSL connections while you share cable bandwidth.
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Old 01-22-2007, 12:09 AM
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How do I figure out where the switch is?
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Old 01-22-2007, 10:18 AM
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My time is coming to get internet service at home. Verizon is installing the Fios cables in my building and we will be eligible to get their t.v and internet service for a decent price. Comcast now had the monoply in the building and from what the neighbors tell me the service is pretty good. Verizon has a tower on top of our building so signal should be good.
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Old 01-22-2007, 10:20 AM
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That's right - it's distance and copper quality to the DSLAM (switch), usually not located at the CO but remoted out on the street somewhere and backhauled via fiber.

I keep 4 (four) ISPs, Cable, DSL, Sat and Sprint Wireless. All 4 are about $120/mo. I had two T1s before they just became ancient cash soaks so I dropped them both.

I failover both the Cable and DSL as a group to the Sat, but have found aggregation is almost impossible trying to use two ISPs bandwidth into one. All this can be fairly easily done with equipment like Cisco 3640s, had on Ebay for a small fee.

Interestingly DSL is by far the most reliable of the bunch. Cable is about 3x faster, but is up and down like a yoyo. Sat is, well just Sat. Sprint's good while on the road or in a pinch
Buckwheat, did you just say "DSL is otay?"
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Old 01-22-2007, 10:25 AM
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I have Mediacom cable at my house in town, and service is ok. Prime time, say 7:00 pm, and the cable slows way down since so many in the neighborhood are using it. But, downloads are pretty fast, especially early in the morning, which is when I use it a lot.

I also have Qwest DSL at my other house. I am 300 yards from the switch. I personally like it better than cable. It seems more reliable, and I like that it's distributed within the house via the telephone lines. I don't have to wire separately for it. I don't have cable tv at that house anyway. But with all the download choices via internet, I don't really need tv there.
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Old 01-22-2007, 11:02 AM
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speed isn't the only problem

I can deal with the slowdown at busy times. Our main problem is when the service goes out entirely for days at a time. Our provider seems to intentionally understaff their service desk so it will take forever to get them on the phone. We also get really crappy tv reception from the cable. Unfortunately, I just found out we have line of sight issues so dish is not an option for us.
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Old 01-22-2007, 01:59 PM
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It depends entirly on your system. Our cable system barely delivers video so high speed data is pushing it. OTOH our phone system has been upgraded from the switches to the lines on the poles and the DSL is by far the best internet I have ever seen. The speeds are exactly as advertised 768/3000 and it has been "down" 2 or three times in the last 4 years.
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I was just wondering about the effect of fiber optic cable service on data speed over coaxial or whatever the prior delivery system was. Anybody know?

Mine is optical but has been getting much slower recently for some reason.
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Old 01-22-2007, 05:56 PM
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I was just wondering about the effect of fiber optic cable service on data speed over coaxial or whatever the prior delivery system was. Anybody know?

Mine is optical but has been getting much slower recently for some reason.
I'm not sure I understand your question. Fiber is fast, really really fast. If you really are using the old coax type of networking cable, you need to step into the 1990's, and get the twisted pair cable (Cat 5 is widely available and cheap). If you were going to have a slowdown, it would be in the cable, not the fiber.


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Old 01-22-2007, 06:05 PM
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If you are close to the switch it will likely be faster, you have dedicated bandwidth with most DSL connections while you share cable bandwidth.
There is a reason that the telco's had to quit using this argument: it's blatantly false.

It sounds true, and it is true to a very limited extent; you have a wire from your house to a central location which is not shared. However, this doesn't do you one bit of good unless the connection from there to "the internet" can handle all of the users downloading at the highest speed at the same time. Here's a hint: any company to set things up this way would quickly be out of business.
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Old 01-22-2007, 06:08 PM
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I was just wondering about the effect of fiber optic cable service on data speed over coaxial or whatever the prior delivery system was. Anybody know?

Mine is optical but has been getting much slower recently for some reason.
As was quoted earlier, if you have cable, you're sharing your bandwidth. As far as I know, your cable company terminates on copper at the pole and at your house. Therefore, you're not getting "true" fiber. I have Verizon Fios and it's fast as hell and true fiber to the house. 50 megs down with 5 up. Fixing to go to 100 down. Runs around $50 per month with a free wireless/wired router. They are very aggressive in Fairfax and I feel this is the best deal in your area. Hope this helps.
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There is a reason that the telco's had to quit using this argument: it's blatantly false.

It sounds true, and it is true to a very limited extent; you have a wire from your house to a central location which is not shared. However, this doesn't do you one bit of good unless the connection from there to "the internet" can handle all of the users downloading at the highest speed at the same time. Here's a hint: any company to set things up this way would quickly be out of business.
Broadband Reports says otherwise, I do agree that it is a YMMV but my dsl works exactly as advertised I never have busy time lag or slow downs.

Obviously it is all part of the "internet", some providers have a bigger pipeline than others.
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Old 01-22-2007, 07:37 PM
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Broadband Reports says otherwise, I do agree that it is a YMMV but my dsl works exactly as advertised I never have busy time lag or slow downs.

Obviously it is all part of the "internet", some providers have a bigger pipeline than others.
I'll give in to the possibility that the cable itself could be a limiting factor, especially as the service gets more popular (including video on-demand and cable phone service). I'm just pointing out that there is always a limit to the speed that the collection of subscribers can send information through their tube (It's ALL TUBES).

That said, we recently dumped Charter cable internet and got AT&T DSL, and couldn't be happier with the decision. Cheaper, faster and more reliable.

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