A deal with North Korea - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

jlomon · #1 02-13-2007, 11:44 AM

So a deal has been reached:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070213/ts_nm/korea_north2_dc_12

In a nutshell, NK gets loads of fuel oil, removed from the list of states that sponsor terrorism, and bank accounts unfrozen. In return for this, they cease further activity in their weapons-grade nuclear fuel enrichment program.

Is this a good deal for the world? NK reportedly has enough weapons-grade plutonium to manufacture a dozen bombs, but they get to keep these. And the last time NK reached a deal (bilaterally with the US in '94) they broke their word. What is there to suggest we should trust them this time? And have they really given enough?

I never thought I'd find myself agreeing with John Bolton, but he's right. A deal like this only encourages other states to scramble towards obtaining nuclear weapons if for nothing other than a tool to force negotiations.

Hatterasguy · #2 02-13-2007, 12:47 PM

They got what they wanted. Now they can continue to devlope them in secret for awhile longer.

SwampYankee · #3 02-13-2007, 03:07 PM

It's been their M.O. Make some noise and wait for the money to come their way. Kim Jong Il will stir things up again in another couple years or so.

Bolton is dead-on with his assessment.

t walgamuth · #4 02-13-2007, 03:43 PM

OTOH

what choice do we have?

we really can't do anything in china's back yard.

it would be like china coming and doing something in canada.

tom w

GottaDiesel · #5 02-13-2007, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

They got what they wanted. Now they can continue to devlope them in secret for awhile longer.

Actually I have to agree with you on this. Really stupid deal. They get money and us off their back -- they'll keep doing what they've been doing all along.

Doh! But... like was said, what do we do?

Emmerich · #6 02-13-2007, 03:51 PM

Kinda sounds like Iraq since 1991.

mpolli · #7 02-13-2007, 06:05 PM

The title of this thread belongs in the other thread "Oxymorons".

Mike

Botnst · #8 02-13-2007, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GottaDiesel

Actually I have to agree with you on this. Really stupid deal. They get money and us off their back -- they'll keep doing what they've been doing all along.

Doh! But... like was said, what do we do?

Same deal that Carter negotiated, they just hit it with a sander here and there and gave it a bit of Bondo and a couple of layers of cheap paint.

B

420SEL · #9 02-13-2007, 07:25 PM

Keep in mind that North Korea has kept up their end of pretty much all of the deals they made unless the US dropped their end first. Typically the US has not followed through on any of their promises by more than half over the last 15 years and North Korea stirs things up after the promise has already been broken by the other side. This time will probably end up being no different.

Botnst · #10 02-13-2007, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 420SEL

Keep in mind that North Korea has kept up their end of pretty much all of the deals they made unless the US dropped their end first. Typically the US has not followed through on any of their promises by more than half over the last 15 years and North Korea stirs things up after the promise has already been broken by the other side. This time will probably end up being no different.

Oh really? That's going to come as a surprise to the UN, every president, and Congress for the previous 50 years.

B

elau · #11 02-13-2007, 08:52 PM

It is true that NK has a good deal this time. On the other hand, since our hands are tied in that peninsula, peaceful resolution; no matter how short live is still better than the alternative. Maybe if we held him off long enough, Kim will die of natural cause. Same stance we have with Cuba. Unless in the highly unlikely event someone within NK topples the regime.

Hatterasguy · #12 02-13-2007, 09:29 PM

I wouldn't give them jack *****. If north Korea does anything China doesn't like the PLA will deal with them very quickly.

I'd let them do whatever they want, if they start hurting the PLA's wallet, there gone.

I remember a couple years ago there was a bunch of pirates operating out of a port/village in southern China. Seized a few large ships, $$$$. Usualy these pirates are not caught, but this started to affect Chinese shipping. The PLA figured out where they were coming from...no more problem since...

420SEL · #13 02-13-2007, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Oh really? That's going to come as a surprise to the UN, every president, and Congress for the previous 50 years.

B

That's not surprising given they've all had they're heads in the sand. It's not my intention to defend North Korea's actions, but they're not the only ones who've made this mess what it is today.

Dee8go · #14 02-13-2007, 10:17 PM

Negotiating with them seems about as efficacious as Neville Chamberlain's deal with A Hitler. I would rather see China deal with them. They have a lot more to lose than we do, it seems to me. Maybe this is what Bush & Co. have been hoping would happen.