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Old 02-24-2007, 08:01 AM
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The ugliest thing in the world....PART 2...

Man held on charge of trying to lure girl
Police say man tried to get student into his car at a Sarasota school.


By LATISHA R. GRAY

SARASOTA -- Police arrested a 42-year-old man on Friday and charged him with the attempted kidnapping of a fifth-grader near Southside Elementary School.

Thomas Gale, of the 600 block of Tarpon Avenue, was arrested after police received a tip that his 1970 sky-blue Volkswagen Beetle was seen on 12th Street. Officers stopped Gale's car, which had an expired tag, at 2525 12th St. He was arrested shortly after.

Gale, a UPS driver, has never been arrested in Florida, according to court records. UPS officials said he was not working at the time the attempted abduction was reported to police, but they declined further comment.

Court records show Gale divorced in 1994 after six years of marriage and has two sons, ages 13 and 16.

According to reports, Gale tried to lure the 11-year-old girl into his car on Thursday by saying he needed help finding his lost dog.

The incident happened shortly after 8 a.m. in a parking lot in the 1900 block of Bougainvillea Street.

According to police, Gale was driving behind the girl's sister and beeped his horn at them. When the fifth-grader got out of the truck, Gale parked his car and backed into a parking space, the report stated.

As the girl walked through the parking lot to school, Gale approached her and asked if she would get in the car and help find his lost dog, the report said. The girl screamed and Gale tried to grab her backpack, the report stated.

The girl told a nearby adult what happened. She was able to provide detectives with a detailed description of Gale and the car.

He remained at the Sarasota County jail Friday evening.

http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070224/NEWS/702240520

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Now I wonder if the same people that argued or shared the view of "was there a crime committed" in the previous thread. Does anyone believe that this was an isolated case? Maybe he was just on drugs... It was an accident correct....

By the very argument of "no harm, no foul" it allows people like this to move to another community, perhaps yours, and next time he may succeed in his attempt. Clearly there was no crime committed here, correct AustinsCE?(sarcasm)

You see the intent to do harm and the continued denial of the problem enables pockets of grey areas in which these freaks operate in. Victimless???
How about his kids??? Do you think they are not subject to harrassment and prejudice because there is a wacko in their "family". Victimless, I think not.

If one was to agree with the wolf metaphor another reader wrote well then wouldn't it be true that because the wolf did not succeed there is no crime. But it's ok because the wolf is just being a wolf...correct?

I say horse*****.....cut off the onions, then lets see if the wolf continues to be a wolf....



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Old 02-24-2007, 09:56 AM
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See.. you dont try and abduct someone in a fatchick beetle...
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Old 02-24-2007, 10:35 AM
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You dont get it either. Not don, the other guy.
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Old 02-24-2007, 10:57 AM
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AustinCE, I guess my question is what excatly is your point?

Is it because there never was a minor involved in those "sting" operation there is some sort of entrapment?

or is it

That there was never any crime commited hence no harm no foul?...

Perhaps I am being obtuse to the situation ...I do not see it
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Old 02-24-2007, 11:00 AM
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Gonna have to go back and read. This here, this new situation, not the same as the other. To combine them, to me the way I see it, would be have a 22 year old girl walk down the street to an elementary school and then afterwards arrest these people for trying to abduct a child, not an adult. Does that help?
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Old 02-24-2007, 11:24 AM
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And then to sort of explain why I feel the way I do, it's because I don't think its the duty of the law enforcement to actively pursue citizens in hope they turn out to be a criminal. Pursue criminals, you get 100%. There was a case when the DA had these kids and questioned them for like weeks until they finally admitted to all these TERRIBLE things cops were saying to convict some people of child molestation, in the end it never happened, but the kids were so traumatized they believed it. Theres a difference between what the other thread was about and this case, but I see a line that can be drawn between the two, and it doesn't seem the right way to pursue criminals. Agree or disagree, whatever, but I'm on my side of it is all.
If you read a little on Bakersfield justice, seeing the way things aren't supposed to be done, it puts a new perspective on it, a book called 'Mean Justice'. I got it, had to order on the internet, because bookstores in town wouldn't sell it...
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Old 02-24-2007, 12:11 PM
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AustinsCE states:

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Theres a difference between what the other thread was about and this case, but I see a line that can be drawn between the two, and it doesn't seem the right way to pursue criminals.
If a crime, lets say theft is commited or intended to be committed does it matter if it is electonically or in person? Is the crime any different? Perhaps in person a gun may be used, which in fact now compounds the initial crime of theft. By the very same theory no one, not even the police coerced anyone to show up at the "sting" they came voluntarily with intent to harm a minor. No different than the example of the man driving through neighborhoods trolling for victims.

I sense discontent on your behalf about some police tactics used to extrapulate an admission of guilt by a potential offender. However did you ever ask yourself how does the police know for sure the kids in your example didn't do the crime...What if they did do it and let them go free to harm others...then all would be in arms that the police aren't doing their jobs effectively, hence the double edge sword.

In respect to the plight of pedophilia what do you suggest?...wait until the crime is commited physically then go an try to hunt down the criminal? Sure I can see how some overzealous individuals can rush to judgement but if we try to take a pro active approach to policing and crime prevention then the need to cast a broad net is essential. No different than if one were fishing. Sure there may be an occassional innocent person that gets wrapped up in the sweep but if you truly are innocent and there is no DNA evidence then all is ok..no?

In the example of the sweep not one person showed up as an innocent, lost person. They were there for a very distinct reason..to allow them to leave unpunished would just allow them to continue this behaviour. I guess that was my point to the whole post to begin with, if we set an example..a real horrible reaction to these actions well then the wolf yes would still be a wolf, even if it is dressed or disguised as something else. What would change is the evaluation on wolfs behalf to what that sheep could potentially cost him in the end.

If the reprucussion is not in line with the vulgarity perpetuated then why should the wolf care if he gets caught or not. The very knowledge of the punishment may keep that wolf from even wandering to the sheep farm rendering his natural characteristics harmless and that's what is needed.
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Old 02-24-2007, 01:04 PM
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A lot seems to still be slipping through the cracks. I dont care about electronic/person but the e crime involving a 22 year old isnt an 11 year old. Its not whether it happened or happened yet, as long as both involve real people.
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but if you truly are innocent and there is no DNA evidence then all is ok..no?
No, you have to have a reason to arrest someone in the first place. This sweep doesnt set an example, its a slap on the wrist since nobody can show damage. Hunting criminals is fine, whether they would have committed a crime otherwise or not doesnt change the fact that the cops DID have to create the situation, I dont agree with that. But, Im not arguing with you, I made my point, not my case. I dont care what happens to the guys or the cops, alls I'm saying is the premise is weak, and when just doing the right thing is superior and non-biased, completely bulletproof, and actually puts the guys away forever, it makes little sense to me to do it this way.

In my example, it was like a witch hunt, first they took the kids, then did tests and arrested the parents, nothing from the tests, kids said nothing happened, no evidence, no real testimony, but the DA is a politician, and hes been "serving" ever since. You'd vote for him, and maybe because of what he did, not looking at all angles, 'because kids were involved'.
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Angry *** Get back to the basics... ***

Old farts trolling for young tang, on the IT, is sick.

Here's the deal with those idiots.

Not only did they make contact w/what they believed to be under-aged girls, they THEN sent porn TO THEM.

Cross that line and you're done. PERIOD. All discussion after that is moot.

But to actually put cuffs on the perv, you have to be able to lure him out, see him and then handle the puke/perv. Hence, the sting.

If you're arguing about the sting, TS. The sting is a tool to get your hands on the perv. In court, the issue will be the trolling and porn being sent to the "victim" - everything to get him into court will be (OR SHOULD BE) moot.

All we're seeing is the method of trapping the puke. You do notice that we're not being shown, exactly, what got the investigation started in the first place. That's because that's the evidence that's going to be used in the puke's trial. Show that crap on TV, and he's as free as a bird. WHY? Because you've tainted the possible jury-pool.

Any attorneys out there see anything wrong with that statement?

AustinCE, arguing about the age and method of catching the puke/perv is moot. It's what got him to this point that has his @55 truly in a bind.

And, as for his @55, I don't want it in my grandkids' neighborhood, or anyone else's either. They need to stay off the street forever, or isolated on some God-forsaken island in the middle of nowhere, with only their kind - over 18 and only one gender. Let's not even care if there's a victim on that island...they can enjoy, among themselves, what they wanted to dish out to us, in their own, private little hell. As far as I'm concerned, they all died when they went after the kids in the first place.

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AustinCE, arguing about the age and method of catching the puke/perv is moot. It's what got him to this point that has his @55 truly in a bind.
No, its moot to you, not me.
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...AustinCE, arguing about the age and method of catching the puke/perv is moot. It's what got him to this point that has his @55 truly in a bind.

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Yeah, but don't tell him that.

Some people just don't get it.

After a while you realize that explaining certain concepts to certain individuals is as futile as pouring water into a cup with a hole in the bottom. No matter how much water you pour in, the cup will always end up empty!

As for the rest of your post. Well put--all around!
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But to actually put cuffs on the perv, you have to be able to lure him out, see him and then handle the puke/perv. Hence, the sting.
AKA, entrapment.
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Old 02-24-2007, 09:08 PM
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After a while you realize that explaining certain concepts to certain individuals is as futile as pouring water into a cup with a hole in the bottom. No matter how much water you pour in, the cup will always end up empty!
kind of like trying to catch a fly with your barehands.......metaphorically...
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AKA, entrapment.
Easy now. You know what they did to Jesus, you just posted a thread about him.
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Old 02-24-2007, 09:16 PM
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AKA, entrapment.
only the perp that just so happens to be innocently "lured" in and others that enjoy exploitation of kids usually feel that way about the subject...but hey, how about those Yankees this year

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