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Old 02-25-2007, 09:01 AM
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Shakespeare...

Here is a call out to all of you fans of the Bard....

What are top five favorite Shakespeare play?

And why?

I'll start...

Hamlet--murder, ghosts, insanity

Macbeth--muder, ghosts, greed

King Lear--power, grateful child, ungrateful children

Antony & Cleopatra--pagentry, war, lust

The Tempest--shipwreck, possessive father, magic

What sayeth thou???

PS--My "least" favorite (Henry IV because of that widely misunderstood line about killing all the lawyers.)

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Old 02-25-2007, 09:47 AM
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Old 02-25-2007, 09:55 AM
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Midsummer's Night Dream: farcical, capricious, tragically flawed nature of both man and gods. Man made in his image, indeed.
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Old 02-25-2007, 01:34 PM
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Are we talking best to see performed or best to read? I loved Macbeth and Twelfth Night. Macbeth is a fantastic production to stage and gives itself to the dramatic in every respect. Twelfth Night is funny and accessable in a way that makes even the uninitiated love it. Its just a really good time.

My favourites to read were Lear and Measure for Measure. When I saw Lear performed I enjoyed it but Measure for Measure left me disappointed. Perhaps it was the director's interpretation, but I just didn't enjoy it at all.
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Old 02-26-2007, 01:38 AM
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I can't stand Shakespeare ...
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Old 02-26-2007, 02:16 AM
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I can't stand Shakespeare ...
Not everyone can.

But when you realize that the stuff he wrote wayyyyyyyyyy back then is still applicable today, then one must admit to his genious, even though one may not stand him.


Just look how many adaptions of his works there are (both recent and not so recent).

West Side Story -- Romeo and Juliet

Throne of Blood -- Macbeth

Just to pick two examples....
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Old 02-26-2007, 02:19 AM
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What sayeth thou???
I say I better get busy and read some Shakespeare else abandon all claim to being an educated man. Hamlet and Romeo and Juliet are the only ones I've read and that was decades ago.

Loreena McKennitt, sort of a new age singer and harp player, and an outstanding one, IMO, has a song on her CD "The Visit," with lyrics taken from Shakespeare's play "The Tragedy of Cymbeline, King of Britain." It's quite a song. I was so impressed, I put it on the program for my Dad's funeral in '00 with my family's approval.

One older lady said it brought her to tears. Here 'tis:

Cymbeline (the song title as well)

Fear no more the heat o' th' sun
Nor the furious winters' rages;
Thou thy worldly task hast done,
Home art gone, and ta'en thy wages.

Golden lads and girls all must,
As chimney-sweepers, come to dust.

The sceptre, learning, physic, must
All follow this and come to dust.

Fear no more the frown o' th' great;
Thou art past the tyrant's stroke.
Care no more to clothe and eat;
To thee the reed is as the oak.

The sceptre, learning, physic, must
All follow this and come to dust.

All lovers young, all lovers must
Consign to thee and come to dust.
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Old 02-26-2007, 02:20 AM
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Are we talking best to see performed or best to read? I loved Macbeth and Twelfth Night. Macbeth is a fantastic production to stage and gives itself to the dramatic in every respect. Twelfth Night is funny and accessable in a way that makes even the uninitiated love it. Its just a really good time.

My favourites to read were Lear and Measure for Measure. When I saw Lear performed I enjoyed it but Measure for Measure left me disappointed. Perhaps it was the director's interpretation, but I just didn't enjoy it at all.
If you ever get a chance, rent Laurence Olivier's Hamlet. It is awesome.

Another reason why I like King Lear -- I have three daughters. I told my youngest that she reminded me of Cordelia and she was OK with it, until she read the play and realized that Cordelia dies at the end (along with Lear).
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I can't stand Shakespeare ...
See that irresistable movie 'Shakespeare in Love' with Joseph Fiennes, Gwynneth Paltrow and even Ben Affleck, and then try his sonnets.
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Old 02-26-2007, 04:03 AM
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See that irresistable movie 'Shakespeare in Love' with Joseph Fiennes, Gwynneth Paltrow and even Ben Affleck, and then try his sonnets.
I can't stand Ben Affleck
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Not everyone can.

But when you realize that the stuff he wrote wayyyyyyyyyy back then is still applicable today, then one must admit to his genious, even though one may not stand him.


Just look how many adaptions of his works there are (both recent and not so recent).

West Side Story -- Romeo and Juliet

Throne of Blood -- Macbeth

Just to pick two examples....
Goethe rules!

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Wer reitet so spät durch Nacht und Wind?
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Mein Sohn, was birgst du so bang dein Gesicht? -
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Mein Vater, mein Vater, jetzt faßt er mich an!
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Er hält in den Armen das ächzende Kind,
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Old 02-26-2007, 04:13 AM
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Even Will made a passing reference to them...

In the Merchant of Venice......

Porsche: "The quality of Mercedes is not strain'd"
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Are you sh****** me?! Are those exact words in there?
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Old 02-26-2007, 08:41 AM
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Are you sh****** me?! Are those exact words in there?
Well...it is "Portia" not "Porsche". But the pronunciation is the same. And Mercedes is a very old Spanish girl name. The story goes that when Daimler and Benz were seeking financing, a wealthy man agreed to come up with enough money to get them going, providing they named the car after his daughter, Mercedes. So instead of driving a Daimler-Benz, we have a Mercedes-Benz.
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Well...it is "Portia" not "Porsche". But the pronunciation is the same. And Mercedes is a very old Spanish girl name. The story goes that when Daimler and Benz were seeking financing, a wealthy man agreed to come up with enough money to get them going, providing they named the car after his daughter, Mercedes. So instead of driving a Daimler-Benz, we have a Mercedes-Benz.
Gottlieb Daimler and his close collaborator Wilhelm Maybach pooled their ideas and patents.So closely were they integrated that even Dr.Siebertz,official historian of Mercedes-Benz was unable to say who thought of what.
It does seem the credit for the first Mercedes car should go to Maybach,for when it was being developed from the original 24hp "Phoenix Daimler",a rather heavy and dangerous car,Daimler was a dying man.

Emil Jellinek,banker/consul for Austria-Hungary,was an immensly wealthy but not very successful amateur racing motorist,ordered the entire production for a year on condition that the new model was called after his daughter Mercedes.
He was an excitable little man who usually wore a panama hat and a pince-nez,but he was also capable of a gesture in the grand manner.He enquired how many could be built in the first year and,upon being told approximately 35,wrote out one check to pay for the lot.
He then proceeded to sell them all to his wealthy friends at a fine profit which showed that it was not entirely by luck that he was a successful banker.

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