Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum > General Discussions > Off-Topic Discussion

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 02-25-2007, 10:19 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 3,726
There may be no hope

Just saw a Mercedes commercial for the 2007 C-class, the essence of which is that the car has a 7 speed transmission, which makes it very fuel efficient, so fuel efficient in fact that it gets 25 highway miles per gallon. Unfortunately 25 miles per gallon on the highway for a compact car is today horrible, and virtually the worst in class. Twelve years ago, a 1995 E320, a larger, heavier car with more horsepower and a 4 speed transmission, got 26 mpg highway.

That problem aside, some wise person at this corporation has chosen to taken the car's achilles heel, poor fuel economy, and make it the subject of a high profile and expensive ad campaign, apparently so that they could mention that the transmission has 7 forward gears, an obvious point of pride. They seem to think we're stupid, something they have in common with the domestic manufacturers. It seems to me not a good sign.

Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 02-26-2007, 11:29 AM
aklim's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Location: Greenfield WI, USA
Posts: 8,514
Is a C-class a compact car?

I thought they changed the ratings because people reported that cars like the E-class you mentioned are being rated unrealistically? IOW you will never see that in the real world? Thought I read something about mpg dropping since they changed to the new system of ratings
__________________
01 Ford Excursion Powerstroke
99 E300 Turbodiesel
91 Vette with 383 motor
05 Polaris Sportsman 800 EFI
06 Polaris Sportsman 500 EFI
03 SeaDoo GTX SC Red
03 SeaDoo GTX SC Yellow
04 Tailgator 21 ft Toy Hauler
11 Harley Davidson 883 SuperLow
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 02-26-2007, 11:36 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Rockville MD
Posts: 833
The new rating system is effective with the 2008 MY. You can compare old and new mpg ratings at the EPA website: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/

The link will be on the right side of the screen. So for 2008 that highway mileage drops to 23. The E85 numbers are even more abysmal.
__________________
1985 380SE Blue/Blue - 230,000 miles
2012 Subaru Forester 5-speed
2005 Toyota Sienna
2004 Chrysler Sebring convertible
1999 Toyota Tacoma
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 02-26-2007, 11:38 AM
GermanStar's Avatar
Annelid wrangler
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Fountain Hills, AZ
Posts: 4,932
Quote:
Originally Posted by deanyel View Post
That problem aside, some wise person at this corporation has chosen to taken the car's achilles heel, poor fuel economy, and make it the subject of a high profile and expensive ad campaign, apparently so that they could mention that the transmission has 7 forward gears, an obvious point of pride.
That strikes me as an obvious point of future repairs.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 02-26-2007, 11:40 AM
aklim's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Location: Greenfield WI, USA
Posts: 8,514
Quote:
Originally Posted by GermanStar View Post
That strikes me as an obvious point of future repairs.
So what do you want? To go back to the Powerglide 2 speed trans?
__________________
01 Ford Excursion Powerstroke
99 E300 Turbodiesel
91 Vette with 383 motor
05 Polaris Sportsman 800 EFI
06 Polaris Sportsman 500 EFI
03 SeaDoo GTX SC Red
03 SeaDoo GTX SC Yellow
04 Tailgator 21 ft Toy Hauler
11 Harley Davidson 883 SuperLow
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 02-26-2007, 11:44 AM
dynalow's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 1,599
So,

The 124 4 speed transmission starts in 2nd gear. Meaning 3 gears of normal use.

What gear will the 7 speed normally start out in I wonder?
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 02-26-2007, 12:09 PM
GermanStar's Avatar
Annelid wrangler
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Fountain Hills, AZ
Posts: 4,932
Quote:
Originally Posted by aklim View Post
So what do you want? To go back to the Powerglide 2 speed trans?
No -- manual.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 02-26-2007, 12:14 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 254
I enjoy driving a car with a good manual transmission, but they really don't make sense today, given that most automobile driving is either done on a light to moderately-congested interstate, with consistent speeds meaning little opportunity to work the gearbox, or on congested roads, meaning stop-and-go traffic that makes using a manual trans a major pain in the arse after about ten minutes. The best compromise in today's world is an automatic trans that has a well-programmed full manual mode.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 02-26-2007, 12:18 PM
aklim's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Location: Greenfield WI, USA
Posts: 8,514
Quote:
Originally Posted by GermanStar View Post
No -- manual.
No thanx. Been there, done that and never want to do that again if possible.
__________________
01 Ford Excursion Powerstroke
99 E300 Turbodiesel
91 Vette with 383 motor
05 Polaris Sportsman 800 EFI
06 Polaris Sportsman 500 EFI
03 SeaDoo GTX SC Red
03 SeaDoo GTX SC Yellow
04 Tailgator 21 ft Toy Hauler
11 Harley Davidson 883 SuperLow
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 02-26-2007, 12:22 PM
jlomon's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Posts: 310
That 25 still can't be right, even with the new methodology for figuring out the rating. My 2000 E320 4Matic Wagon gets 27 mpg on the highway in real world conditions, and that's with a 5 speed auto. If a C-class with a 7 speed can't do better than that with way less weight, there's something wrong here.
__________________
Jonathan

2011 Mazda2
2000 E320 4Matic Wagon
1994 C280 (retired)
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 02-26-2007, 12:28 PM
Mistress's Avatar
No crying in baseball
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Inside a vortex
Posts: 624
I saw a blurb on t.v. about the ratings being off on quit a few vehicles since the method and use for obtaining the ratings hadn't changed in 8 years. If i was to buy a new car, i'd ask the dealership to let me have it for a day and drive like i would in everyday traffic and see what you come up.
__________________
"It's normal for these things to empty your wallet and break your heart in the process."
2003 S430- "Yolanda"
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 02-26-2007, 12:36 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 1,108
Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulC View Post
I enjoy driving a car with a good manual transmission, but they really don't make sense today, given that most automobile driving is either done on a light to moderately-congested interstate, with consistent speeds meaning little opportunity to work the gearbox, or on congested roads, meaning stop-and-go traffic that makes using a manual trans a major pain in the arse after about ten minutes. The best compromise in today's world is an automatic trans that has a well-programmed full manual mode.
I actually prefer a stick in traffic, I hate holding the brake down 100% of the time.


25 MPG bad? what engine is it? The 3.5 says 29 hwy.

Last edited by AustinsCE; 02-26-2007 at 12:41 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 02-26-2007, 01:05 PM
Mistress's Avatar
No crying in baseball
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Inside a vortex
Posts: 624
Quote:
Originally Posted by AustinsCE View Post
I actually prefer a stick in traffic, I hate holding the brake down 100% of the time.


25 MPG bad? what engine is it? The 3.5 says 29 hwy.
At least you do....
__________________
"It's normal for these things to empty your wallet and break your heart in the process."
2003 S430- "Yolanda"
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 02-26-2007, 01:13 PM
TheDon's Avatar
Ghost of Diesels Past
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 13,217
Im only getting 22 mpg with my 300D.. I think my odometer is slow or something
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 02-26-2007, 01:18 PM
Botnst's Avatar
What knockers!
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: There castle.
Posts: 41,503
Quote:
Originally Posted by AustinsCE View Post
I actually prefer a stick in traffic, I hate holding the brake down 100% of the time.


25 MPG bad? what engine is it? The 3.5 says 29 hwy.
I drive a std tranny quite a bit and in stop & go traffic, the nightmare of chain-reaction bumper crashes keeps me off the fellow's bumper in front and with my brake on unless I'm moving--just as with my auto tranny.

What about you other folks? Brake on or brake off at stop?

B

PS What I don't like about the stick in heavy traffic is constant use of the clutch. Aggravation!

__________________
'Government is like a baby:
An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and
no sense of responsibility at the other'
- Ronald Reagan
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:00 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2018 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Peach Parts or Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page