This is EXACTLY what I feel as I do towards these pervs... - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

Hammertime · #1 03-04-2007, 09:59 AM

Excerpt from todays paper;

About 2,700 pedophiles, rapists and other sexual offenders are already being held indefinitely, mostly in special treatment centers, under so-called civil commitment programs in 19 states, which on average cost taxpayers four times more than keeping the offenders in prison.

In announcing a deal with legislative leaders on Thursday, Gov. Eliot Spitzer, a Democrat, suggested that New York’s proposed civil commitment law would “become a national model” and go well beyond confining the most violent predators to also include mental health treatment and intensive supervised release for offenders.

“No one has a bill like this, nobody,” said State Senator Dale M. Volker, a Republican from western New York and a leading proponent in the Legislature of civil confinement.

But in state after state, such expectations have fallen short. The United States Supreme Court has upheld the constitutionality of the laws in part because their aim is to furnish treatment if possible, not punish someone twice for the same crime. Yet only a small fraction of committed offenders have ever completed treatment to the point where they could be released free and clear.

Leroy Hendricks, a convicted child molester in Kansas, finished his prison term 13 years ago, but he remains locked up at a cost to taxpayers in that state of $185,000 a year — more than eight times the cost of keeping someone in prison there.

Mr. Hendricks, who is 72 and unsuccessfully challenged his confinement in the Supreme Court, spends most days in a wheelchair or leaning on a cane, because of diabetes, circulation ailments and the effects of a stroke. He may not live long enough to “graduate” from treatment.

To me it seems we as a whole have better things to invest our monies in...maybe helping vets...or how about reforming FEMA so when a tragedy hits a three stooges movie doesn't break out...thoughts?

aklim · #2 03-04-2007, 10:11 AM

Helping vets would be a plus.

Hammertime · #3 03-04-2007, 10:18 AM

sorry forgot the link, here it is;

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/04/us/04civil.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

aklim · #4 03-04-2007, 10:22 AM

How do you "treat until they no longer pose a threat"? If treatment is not working, why treat? So that some mindfawk has a job? A friend of mine used to have to treat sex offenders. Nobody wanted the job so he had to do it since he was low man on the totem pole. Well, he started out believing he could do something. By the time he got another job, he realized that the best treatment was a 22 cal by Drs Remmington, Winchester or CCI.

aklim · #5 03-04-2007, 10:46 AM

3rd post on the same subject in recent memory. What's the deal here? Did one of them move in next door and you trying to solicit ideas on how to get him/her to move or what?

Hammertime · #6 03-04-2007, 11:22 AM

not at all...there have been a few situations here very locally in Sarasota and it's just is one of topics that gets me irish up. I was just wondering if I was alone with these thoughts...

I have to admit with three grade school kids it is a concern. The schools and local authorities are really driving home the crime prevention tips to the kids and families which I think is great.

I do find it appalling on how this issue is handled in the US though.

Believe me if one these freaks moved next door to me I wouldn't lobby to have him/her/it move. I would just begin to make it so intolerable for it/him/her to exist in my neighborhood, it would just move on. Believe me I could be creative

mgburg · #7 03-04-2007, 12:18 PM

COPS (the FOX show) last night showed 2 pervs being discussed before a sting/bust...

First perv. (a "book-ish" looking twit) was to drive up and pickup, what he thought was, a 13yo boy...as he drives up, he sees his vic. (UC of course), then decides NOT to go through w/the pickup. His excuse? "Second thoughts" ("Buyer's remorse") about what he was about to do. He still got busted. WHY? Because (And I thought this was, finally, GOOD EDITING ON THE PRODUCERS' PART...) the perv. had ALREADY SENT, via the Internet, nude pictures of himself, to the "victim" - POINT UNDERSTOOD? HE ALREADY COMMITTED A/MANY CRIME(S) AND HE FINALLY GOT PICKED-UP HIMSELF...

Second perv. drives up to meet/greet (what he thought was..) a 13yo girl...he said he'd be bringing a condom and I missed what else. He arrives and when confronted by the Law, he denies he's the one the LEOs are looking for..."Nope, not me." "I was just in the neighborhood..." "I didn't post anything..." "I don't have that Internet name..." "Never heard of..." The LEOs tell him that based on the Internet postings he made, how would they have able to APB his truck (Make, model, plates, color), where he was coming from (On that point, he was truthful!

) and they even had enough time (due to HIS traveling time) to get things set-up and in place BEFORE HE EVEN GOT THERE...He lied to everyone and about everything all the way to the ground while they slapped the cuffs on. Then, after they finished "scratching and sniffing" him for contraband/weapons, they stand him up...he's like 6' plus, shorts, t-shirt, funky "fu-man-chu" facial hair. The "vic." shows up w/her badge and he's like "I could care less..." He needs a case of "BUBBA-WOOP-A55" up his a55. I hope he gets what's coming to him by some freak bigger than him, then the freak "Dahmers" him.

These people come from all walks of life (by what I've seen on the NBC and FOX shows) and they seem to be about as pletiful as cockroaches in a slum.

What's scary about all of this?
You won't know you're standing next to one until he's on the 10 o'clock (Central Time Zone

) News.

What's even worse?
It may have been too late to protect someone near, and dear, to yourself.

And that folks, is the tradgedy in itself.

Hammertime · #8 03-04-2007, 12:57 PM

it's never too late Mark....the only thing that hurts us is the unwillingness to realize this tragedy for what it is dispicable. On another thread one remarked if it's not in my backyard well then who cares....guess what it's here in all our backyards and what's worse is it costs more and more to house these neophites...

Education of our kids and a no tolerance approach towards these idiots is all we have....fight the fight Mark...

mgburg · #9 03-04-2007, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammertime

...it's never too late...the only thing that hurts us is the unwillingness to realize this tragedy for what it is dispicable. On another thread one remarked if it's not in my backyard well then who cares....guess what it's here in all our backyards and what's worse is it costs more and more to house these neophites...Education of our kids and a no tolerance approach towards these idiots is all we have...fight the fight...

The idea that it's not in your backyard is tantamount to sticking your head in the sand and ignoring the problem. It's typical of a chickens'/politicians' type of response.

Everytime, before I go to vote...I look up the candidates and will question them, face-to-face on these types of subjects.

When their response is something like, "Well, you have to look at the whole picture..." they don't get my vote. Why? If they want to look at EVERYTHING but the victim, they are pandering for votes, not justice. Don't put pussies in a responsible position of POWER. Put people in that are willing to tell you, straight to your face, that there should be no tolerance for this type of crime, WHAT-SO-EVER.

If they can't do that, they're probably hiding something, either personal or relative to their own circumstances.

And I'm not willing to risk my grandkids' lives for a pussy-answer from a pussy.

What's nice about this thread/forum - you can say what you feel.

The problem?

It makes you feel better inside, but does NOTHING outside.

Getting out and telling the politicians, who make/write the laws, that THEY ARE THE ONES RESPONSIBLE FOR GETTING THESE THINGS CLEANED UP...THAT'S THE HARDEST PART OF ALL... That doesn't mean that it can't be done. It means that it's not going to be easy to find the right person for the job. But, the right people are out there. We just need to find them, elect them and keep them there.

Then, get proper legislation written, approved and judge-proofed.

Then you'll get to feeling a bit better.

Otherwise, you have to let your religion take over. And judging by what I've read, on other threads, over the past week or so, we're in a world of hurt if that's all we've got to protect our kids.

Sorta' makes you wish that show, THE EQUALIZER, was real, doesn't it?

Hammertime · #10 03-04-2007, 01:46 PM

either that or the Punisher, that was a good one too....

aklim · #11 03-04-2007, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mgburg

If they want to look at EVERYTHING but the victim, they are pandering for votes, not justice. Don't put pussies in a responsible position of POWER. Put people in that are willing to tell you, straight to your face, that there should be no tolerance for this type of crime, WHAT-SO-EVER.

That doesn't mean that it can't be done. It means that it's not going to be easy to find the right person for the job. But, the right people are out there. We just need to find them, elect them and keep them there.

Otherwise, you have to let your religion take over. And judging by what I've read, on other threads, over the past week or so, we're in a world of hurt if that's all we've got to protect our kids.

They ARE pandering for votes anyways. If not on this subject it will be that subject. So what sort of crime should there be tolerance for then?

If somebody is that good, why would they want to run for office? Lets see, I have the capacity to be Bill Gates II. Should I pursue that or run for office. Hmmmm. Tough choice.

Best thing parents can do to protect their kids is to pay attention to the kids and watch them carefully.

Lets see, a while back we had a news article that said Rottweilers maul 11 yo. First thing I said was "I'll bet the kids did something to the Rott. Sure enough. 2 kids 11 yo each were left alone. One of them picked up a puppy and the mother got upset and attacked her. For that, 2 Rotts and 4 pups were killed. Parents? Oh, they were left alone. I suppose the logic is that 2 kids at 11 years each add up to 22 yo and therefore an adult.

It did however prove to me one simple thing. The Rott took better care of her pups than the parents. If one kid is all you can look after, have 1 kid. You have 3 kids and things like what I mentioned happen and you blame the perp? No, the parents share the blame. I adppt as many dogs as I can care for. Same thing with kids. If you cannot care for them, don't have them. It is not my responsibility to watch your kids if you cannot and/or will not.

mgburg · #12 03-04-2007, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

...Best thing parents can do to protect their kids is to pay attention to the kids and watch them carefully...a while back we had a news article that said Rottweilers maul 11 yo. First thing I said was "I'll bet the kids did something to the Rott. Sure enough. 2 kids 11 yo each were left alone. One of them picked up a puppy and the mother got upset and attacked her. For that, 2 Rotts and 4 pups were killed. Parents? Oh, they were left alone. I suppose the logic is that 2 kids at 11 years each add up to 22 yo and therefore an adult.

It did however prove to me one simple thing. The Rott took better care of her pups than the parents...and things...happen and you blame the perp? No, the parents share the blame. I adppt as many dogs as I can care for. Same thing with kids. If you cannot care for them, don't have them. It is not my responsibility to watch your kids if you cannot and/or will not.

I remember the story...wasn't that in central WI. or over by me in SW WI.? Didn't the little girl die? What did happen to the two "brain-dead" parental units in that ordeal? Weren't they at some bar, sucking brewskies, while their kids became "kibbles & bits" for the *****?

Anyways...

What we're talking about here is the adults' (supposed) behavior...not the kids. 4 rots. vs. 2-11yos? The parents' behavior. No doubt about it. No argument. The rot. mom a perp? Nope, a symptom of the problem. Parents' thinking their kids can handle any situation that comes their way? Problem. The parents may be 30-40'ish, but their mentality is only pre-pubescent, at best. Nice mix when you want to be friends w/your kids, not when it comes to someone HAVING TO MAKE LIFE AND DEATH DECISIONS IN A FRACTION OF A MOMENT.

As for parents being able to keep track of the critters 24/7/365.22 ... it physically can't happen...someone has to nap sometime during the day.

All we're talking about here is this: WHEN a child-molestation action HAS taken place, why are we, as a society, coddling the buggers?

Hang the care-giver-blame on a different thread.

This here thread is where we're lynching the Internet-Child-Molesters that ACTUALLY GO OUT A TRY TO COMPLETE WHAT THEY STARTED. That's all. Small and to-the-point discussion on which type of knife to neuter the ba5tards, then which type of ant-hill to bury them in and which flavor honey to pour on their heads...that's all.

But, if you are trying to tie parental-brain-farting with Perverts-On-Parade, that's a comparison that just doesn't work.

Parental-Brain-Farts = Apples (rotten) = Neuter 'em - no more kids - they're too stupid.
Pervs-On-Parade = Pumpkins (smashed-chucked-M80'd) = Death - Period

aklim · #13 03-04-2007, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mgburg

I remember the story...wasn't that in central WI. or over by me in SW WI.? Didn't the little girl die? What did happen to the two "brain-dead" parental units in that ordeal? Weren't they at some bar, sucking brewskies, while their kids became "kibbles & bits" for the *****?

As for parents being able to keep track of the critters 24/7/365.22 ... it physically can't happen...someone has to nap sometime during the day.

All we're talking about here is this: WHEN a child-molestation action HAS taken place, why are we, as a society, coddling the buggers?

This here thread is where we're lynching the Internet-Child-Molesters that ACTUALLY GO OUT A TRY TO COMPLETE WHAT THEY STARTED. That's all. Small and to-the-point discussion on which type of knife to neuter the ba5tards, then which type of ant-hill to bury them in and which flavor honey to pour on their heads...that's all.

Elroy, WI. Nothing much happened to the parents. People (except me) sent sympathy and all that.

Parents tend to drop their kids off at other places or have other kids over and not spend time checking them. Well it is a big responsibility to be a parent. If they are not up to it, they shouldn't be parents. Saying that "I cannot watch them 24/7/365.22" isn't an answer. It is an excuse.

Because we coddle the perps for any crime. They go to jail for theft, murder, spitting on the sidewalk and we insisted on giving them rights and all that instead of giving them all the rights in the world BEFORE the sentence of "GUILTY" is pronounced.

Maybe I just don't see but why is this particular crime so different from rape, murder and all that?

Hammertime · #14 03-04-2007, 04:42 PM

Aklim wrote;

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Maybe I just don't see but why is this particular crime so different from rape, murder and all that?

No one is trying to brush those crimes off at all...what does however get me all revved up is when these crimes are committed against innocent kids. Even worse when it's deflected as,"we'll the parents must not be on top of things"...."their really the blame". Admittedly some are negligable but that does not entitle some creep to get away with these actions.

Why is it when Carly Brusscia was abucted in broad daylight with the perp on film committing the crime does the focus of the media become the parents, the navy, the sky and the rainbows but it detracts from the offender? We are not talking reasonable doubt here now...

What about these kids that were molested by those catholic priests up in New England? Did the parents play a negligent role there? What I find intolerable is how these crimes are covered up more often then not then little Johnny grows up to be a disfunctional, irrational thinking adult and continues to carry the torch of perverse behaviour.

Once again I feel if the punishment was quick, severe and consistent with these crimes it would send a reverb to these circle of pervs. Believe it, they operate in secret societies and just like some of those idiots showing up to the Dateline sting house have "heard" about these set ups, the message would be sent to their underground society. I don't believe it would stop it from occuring, that would be overly optimistic, but the very risk of the pain, humiliation, torture and death MAY make them think twice before approaching some kid for fear of the reprecussion. One thing they all seemto have in common is they are cowards, and cry for mercy when caught.

mgburg · #15 03-04-2007, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

...Maybe I just don't see but why is this particular crime so different from rape, murder and all that?

Maybe because it ISN'T about the pervs...it's about the kids AFTER they've been violated.

We don't get to meet the kids that have been damaged by the pervs. That's to protect their IDs.

The pervs. have already committed the crime ... taking avantage of the child's curiousity.

Why don't we have kids signing contracts before they're 18? Too many folks out there that want to scam 'em.

Why don't we allow kids to drink alcohol? Hey, I was all for underage drinking when I was 16! Too many reasons here...

Why don't we allow kids to marry and have their own kids when they start bleeding? They don't know, or understand, the amount of responsibility that goes w/raising kids. Use your "Rot-vs-11yo" example. There are some ADULTS that shouldn't be allowed "Gene-Pool-Priviledges" at all!

And to answer the question, there's no difference in crime against adults and children.

It's just that with this particular crime, the only victim that can be a victim is a child. That's probably why some people (I plead guilty!) feel as strong about punishing these pervs as we do.

It's not so much that the victim MIGHT have thought it was OK (It's not!) but that they were talked into it. They (the vics) haven't even been alive long enough to make those types of rational decisions on their own.

And to have a perv rape, photograph, sell, whatever, of the child and then plead that "We're consenting..." as his excuse? I'd rather slit his throat before I'd listen to anymore crap coming from his face. The child doesn't even have a choice in the matter and perv could care less if they were alive or dead when they're done with them. The child is just another "shot-in-the-dark" for his perverse pleasure.

It's an adult-vs-kid issue more than anything else. And the adult is holding all the cards. The kids never, nor will they ever, have a chance if the game's already stacked against them before they even get there.

That's what makes this issue so bloody hateful.

Put two pervs in a ring. Who cares? They deserve each other.

Put a perv and a 13yo in a ring. I'm "sniping" the perv before the the first bell. That kid needs a chance to be a kid before he/she has to deal w/adult issues.