I don't get that at all. What the hell's wrong with your generation? I wouldn't have the slightest problem shooting some bastard who was shooting others let alone shooting at me.

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I'm 38 and have two sons and I would most certainly shoot to kill in defense of life. The minute the VA Tech tragedy broke I wondered why he wasn't taken down by campus police or a faculty member or a good Virginia student who believes in carrying a weapon in their car. How in the world was this nut able to murder so many people? How was he able to walk freely on campus after murdering two victims hours earlier? Why in the world wasn't he taken down? The complete lack of armed resistance is the only reason 32 people were murdered by a lone wolf madman. This country is going to hell in a handbasket when it stops defending itself from madmen. I personally am considering buying a gunbox/strongbox to keep a rifle and a handgun in. Also, thinking strongly about practicing with some friends who are highly trained marksmen. I don't currently own a gun but there is actually a war going on and even that is poorly reported. It's a sad state of affairs when so many innocent victims are slain for no reason.

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jason,
a college is one of the most open places there is. it is part of the learning experience. i am not surprised nobody stopped him sooner. it is very very difficult to defend against a determined person like him. there simply was nobody close enough and prepared enough to stop him sooner.

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That's a good point, for sure. For example, the nut who murdered all of those people. However, if one of my kids was armed and the nut came into her class, the outcome would probably be considerably different.

In retrospect, the ebst way to have stopped those murders would have been for his family to have noticed he was nucking futs and had him under some sort of legal and medical controls. IMO, we have come to far in our public concern for the constitutional rights of psychotics.

It seems he had a problem or problems for a long time, and the family either ignored it, or sent him off to school thinking it will get better. Obviously you can't learn your way out of psychopathy.

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The guy was a senior at V Tech and not one person had had a conversation with him. Not one. He was completely looney tunes and nobody got it not even his family.

Unless you were carrying your gun in a holster on your hip or underarm there is no way you assess the situation, draw and fire in time unless you use to be or are some kind of seasoned vet of an armed unit. Even if you were in another class you would have to make your way into the corridor into the line of fire. Its a lot easier to shoot paper targets at the range or bug out and exit if you are still alive.

Did you read the stories at the beginning of this thread?

I'm sorry, Austin, but anyone who says something like that is speaking purely hypothetically. If you're sitting in a comfortable chair in the student union discussing stuff like that and come up with words to that effect, fine. Once the shooting starts and your life or your family's lives are in mortal danger, that crap will go right out the window, buddy.

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What? It wasnt as it relates to a nutjob taking over the school, its their general life pattern. And no it wont, how many students lifted a finger to save themselves?

Sure, but anyone legally carrying a concealed firearm would have been able to change the odds. And those carrying aren't supposed to be cops or swat teams, and hunt the guy down. Just draw, prepare, and if he comes in, then shoot to stop.

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That's been on my mind also. There was some attempt to block the doors, but it's hard to understand why so many don't try in these situations. All the heroes I've known say they felt like cowards and took out the other guy out of fear before they could be hurt.
When ever I buy a gun they call in the info into somewhere but I just walk out with the gun, and the process only takes a few minutes. No mention of type weapon or anything - AZ. I'm not sure if the info is actually run through any computer first. I buy ammo by the case and have it shipped to me no questions asked. You'll encounter some odd types in gun stores and at the range and I always wonder how to deal with this sort of thing. Maybe just a hot line people could call with their concerns about somebody that would require a closer look – sounds pretty 1984, but lots of people expressed concerns about this guy and there should be some way to flag him at the gun store.

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I believe that the shooting spree lasted only 9 minutes. I doubt that there would have been enough time to go to a parked car, retrieve a gun and shoot Cho. Remember that he eventually shot himself.

Concealed weapos, carried with the person, would have been the only way to effectively stop the guy.

Or, maybe, they should have a loaded shotgun in each classroom, inside a glass case, and with a sign that reads:

BREAK IN CASE OF A SHOOTING.

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Yeah, it brings a tear to my eye to think of my 6'4" 235lb brother at 21 carrying a weapon while he was in college. I guess if it weren't for the full beard and tatoos, he would have looked like a choirboy without the shoulder holster.

Maybe Mike Tsangas will weigh in on this one to get the facts straight 'cause he would have been there, but they used to have the International Police Shooting Championships in Jackson, Mississippi. One year during the week long matches, a mugger tried to steal a woman's purse who was leaving a mal (could have been a carjacking--I just remember reading about it)l. Just so happens the winner of the previous year's Championship witnessed the altercation and attempted to intervene. Mugger drew out a gun, and while he was fiddling with it, the off duty cop dropped him with a .44Mag at something crazy like 40 yards. Stuff like that is why I always say, you really better know who you are messing around with.

Stuff like that JD, is more of what we need.

I'd have no issue carrying a sidearm into my college classroom ( concealed). The trouble is, in society in general and in NEW YAWK particularly, even if I did the right thing, I likely would be in as much legal hassle as the gunman.

(The last thing I'd do is kill him. Aw naw brother, that's too frckin' easy. assuming I had time to place my shots )

Point is, as logical and correct as it seems to some of us, the general population , who are becoming mindless lemmings imho, wouldn't have it. Ha, if we ever have any civil strife, it'll be easier to control the lemmings. So, consequently, the feds wont like it either, will they?

If they invite me back ( this is my first semester of teaching), I am defitnely going to ask them again. And maybe even, write up an eloquent position paper and send it up the line of command.

"Indpedent American".... I LIKE THAT! My dad cut a deal with UncleSam and got his family here after WWII, served as a cold warrior for a while as the price. I saw the country he loved and was willing to die for, so I signed my life away for a bit. Least I could do right. I see it less and less though. And recently, just recently, have questioned my absolute committment to this great land, but NOT to my pledge to defend the Constitution, which every grunt does.

.44 maggie at 40 paces.... OUCH! That'll eff up a good hairdo!