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BENZ-LGB · #31 06-22-2007, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

OTOH, as for raping women, I used to see white men cruise San Pablo in Oakland all the time picking up low priced, black hookers. The young black dudes are not stupid, they see that. Doesn't make blacks raping whites in any way right or justified but I can understand the bitterness.

Then beat up on the johns, don't rape white women. Since most of the black hookers are being pimped by black men, what do they care as long as the cash keeps flowing in.

Your argument makes no sense at all.

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

One thing I really hate reading about is black thugs sticking up Mexican day laborers cause they know they often don't have bank accounts and carry a lot of cash -- cash they worked their butts off for. Word is the black punks refer to them as walking ATM machines.

Agreed...I guess it is easier to mug a poor Mexican worker than to walk over to the local welfare office.

BTW, the one good thing that the Clinton Adm did was to make it harder for certain individuals to get welfare and to stay on welfare.

BENZ-LGB · #32 06-22-2007, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MBlovr

Its a pretty safe bet that poor people are more likely to commit crimes against people of greater wealth than the other way around (unless of course they are elected officials) and given the fact that blacks are generally poorer than whites its not suprising that blacks commit more crimes against whites than vice a versa. In the case of the murder I sited the white guy had ventured out of his "comfort zone" for a little off the record fun and frolic and things went very badly for him. This would not fit your claim of blacks perpetrating crimes outside of their comfort zone.

Now you are making no sense at all. You just wrote that blacks commit more crimes against blacks than against white.

You cannot hide, nor can you defend, the fact that statistically blacks commit more crimes (property and violent) than whites commit against blacks.

If you have the stats to prove otherwise, I think Howi and I would like to see them.

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Originally Posted by MBlovr

Clearly the solution is to improve blacks economic standing so they have something worth committing a crime against them for.

What do you have in mind? Every social plan since the time of FDR to the present has been an utter and dismal failure.

Got any good ideas?

Mistress · #33 06-22-2007, 05:13 PM

Can't we all just get along?

BENZ-LGB · #34 06-22-2007, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mistress

Can't we all just get along?

That's funny right there, I don't care what anyone says...

Medmech · #35 06-22-2007, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dculkin

Is that paragraph quoted from some other source?

Read the quote.

MBlovr · #36 06-22-2007, 06:23 PM

My personal experience indicates that the lower the economic class the greater the violence, regardless of race. As more blacks reside in the lower economic classes they are going to be more prone to violent behaviour. People who have more to lose tend to be more law abiding and percieve that that have as much to gain relatively speaking through violence. I would agree the the long term critical mass of poverty among the black community has had a cancerous effect on urban black culture to the degree the violence has become a more institutionalized way of life.

Medmech · #37 06-22-2007, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MBlovr

My personal experience indicates that the lower the economic class the greater the violence, regardless of race. As more blacks reside in the lower economic classes they are going to be more prone to violent behaviour. People who have more to lose tend to be more law abiding and percieve that that have as much to gain relatively speaking through violence. I would agree the the long term critical mass of poverty among the black community has had a cancerous effect on urban black culture to the degree the violence has become a more institutionalized way of life.

There are more whites than blacks below the poverty line.

BENZ-LGB · #38 06-22-2007, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MBlovr

...the the long term critical mass of poverty among the black community has had a cancerous effect on urban black culture to the degree the violence has become a more institutionalized way of life.

Popping kids starting at age 17 or 18, with no man around to serve as a role model, has a worse impact than poverty.

You can be poor and law abiding (we were poor growing up but were law abiding. Not having a dad around to serve as a role model is a surefire way to go into a life of crime and a never ending circle of poverty.

Honus · #39 06-22-2007, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Howitzer

Read the quote.

Your paragaph quoted D'Souza. My question is about who wrote your paragraph.

John Doe · #40 06-22-2007, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by dculkin

Your paragaph quoted D'Souza. My question is about who wrote your paragraph.

You live in dc so you know that the paragraph is true, but don't like the conclusion because it is a sad state of affairs and gives one(of us) a bit of pause or maybe guilt in admitting the truth. I don't think anyone likes the conclusion, but I challenge you to say you disagree with the quoted paragraph based on your personal observations.

MBlovr · #41 06-22-2007, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Howitzer

There are more whites than blacks below the poverty line.

On an absolute basis that is true but given that we are discussing cultural behavoiur I would argue the percent of the population in poverty is more relevant. Poverty is far more "diluted" for white culture and less "cancerous"

In 2004, the poverty rate declined for Asians (9.8 percent in 2004, down from 11.8 percent in 2003), remained unchanged for Hispanics (21.9 percent) and blacks (24.7 percent) and rose for non-Hispanic whites (8.6 percent in 2004, up from 8.2 percent in 2003).

MBlovr · #42 06-22-2007, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BENZ-LGB

Popping kids starting at age 17 or 18, with no man around to serve as a role model, has a worse impact than poverty.

You can be poor and law abiding (we were poor growing up but were law abiding. Not having a dad around to serve as a role model is a surefire way to go into a life of crime and a never ending circle of poverty.

I'm sure plenty of blacks can make the same claim regarding being poor and law abiding. Again when I lived in poorer white neighborhoods there was a far more pervasive environment of violence than in the wealthier ones.

In fact in one lily white neighborhood (blacks didn't dare move there) where I grew up violence was a primary means of establishing the social order. Oh yeah we all had dads too, some of them were drunks but we did have dads.

Which to be fair and honest the kids with the dads (like mine) who kept them in line were the best behaved. Which leads us to the question as to why the fathers don't stick around to raise their kids in the black urban setting.

Honus · #43 06-23-2007, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by John Doe

You live in dc so you know that the paragraph is true, but don't like the conclusion because it is a sad state of affairs and gives one(of us) a bit of pause or maybe guilt in admitting the truth. I don't think anyone likes the conclusion, but I challenge you to say you disagree with the quoted paragraph based on your personal observations.

I neither agree nor disagree with it. I wouldn't presume to extrapolate from my personal observations to draw the conclusions in the quoted paragraph. I was curious to know the source of the paragraph because that might give a clue about whether it might include some slight of hand with the numbers. I am not particularly good at analyzing statistics, but I know enough to be wary of people who manipulate them in ways that are intended to mislead.

As you mentioned, I don't particularly like the conclusions referred to in the quoted paragraph. Do you?

The numbers do give me pause, but I don't know why they should make me feel guilt.

As to the accuracy of the quoted statistics, this one does surprise me:

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...In fully 90 percent of those cases, according to U.S. Justice Department figures, the perpetrators are black and the victims are white...

I would not have guessed that percentage to be nearly that high.

By the way, I found Howitzer's source. It's John Perazzo, whoever that is. His article apparently appeared in Frontpage magazine and was quoted on the freeper site: http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3ab7a4b04168.htm

I don't know who Perazzo is, but I wouldn't rely on the freepers for information.

cmac2012 · #44 06-23-2007, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by BENZ-LGB

Then beat up on the johns, don't rape white women. Since most of the black hookers are being pimped by black men, what do they care as long as the cash keeps flowing in.

Your argument makes no sense at all.

Not that many black men are actually pimps, in my observation. I'm not saying it makes sense. Just that it feeds into a sense of disenfranchisement from the world. I believe Johns are often fairly safe cause it's known that they filter money into the community. But I could see a deep grudge building up over that.

I have read of a few Johns getting held up though.

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Originally Posted by BENZ-LGB

Agreed...I guess it is easier to mug a poor Mexican worker than to walk over to the local welfare office.

BTW, the one good thing that the Clinton Adm did was to make it harder for certain individuals to get welfare and to stay on welfare.

Reagan was right on that point: welfare was outta control.

What really gets me is that Latino day laborers have provided a crash course on how young black men could get ahead in the world but they don't want to go that route apparently.

Medmech · #45 06-23-2007, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by dculkin

I don't know who Perazzo is, but I wouldn't rely on the freepers for information.

The stats are from DOJ.