The New Neville Chamberlain - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

BENZ-LGB · #1 07-01-2007, 06:08 AM

For those of you who may not be familiar with Neville Chamberlain, England's PM, just before WWII here is a thumbnail sketch:

Neville Chamberlain became Prime Minister of Britain on 28th May, 1937. Over the next two years Chamberlain's Conservative government became associated with the foreign policy that later became known as appeasement.

Chamberlain believed that Germany had been badly treated by the Allies after it was defeated in the First World War. He therefore thought that the German government had genuine grievances and that these needed to be addressed. He also thought that by agreeing to some of the demands being made by Adolf Hitler of Germany and Benito Mussolini of Italy, he could avoid a European war.

Anthony Eden, Chamberlain's foreign secretary, did not agree with the policy of appeasement and resigned in February, 1938. Eden was replaced by Lord Halifax who fully supported this policy. Halifax had already developed a good relationship with the German government. After his first visit to Nazi Germany he told his friend, Henry (Chips) Channon: "He (Halifax) told me he liked all the Nazi leaders, even Goebbels, and he was much impressed, interested and amused by the visit. He thinks the regime absolutely fantastic."

In November, 1937, Neville Chamberlain sent Lord Halifax to meet Adolf Hitler, Joseph Goebbels and Hermann Goering in Germany. In his diary, Lord Halifax records how he told Hitler: "Although there was much in the Nazi system that profoundly offended British opinion, I was not blind to what he (Hitler) had done for Germany, and to the achievement from his point of view of keeping Communism out of his country." This was a reference to the fact that Hitler had banned the Communist Party (KPD) in Germany and placed its leaders in Concentration Camps.

Now contrast that with the current Mayor of London.

LONDON (AFP) - London Mayor Ken Livingstone called on Britons Saturday not to demonize Muslims after a double car bomb plot was foiled in the capital, amid fears of a Islamist terror threat.

At the same time he criticized Britain over its ties with Saudi Arabia, which he said had fuelled intolerance in the past through its Wahhabist form of Islam, creating a "major problem."

"In this city, Muslims are more likely to be law-abiding than non-Muslims and less likely to support the use of violence to achieve political ends than non-Muslims," he told BBC Radio.

"They have played a good and active and growing role in creating a multi-cultural society," he added.

He noted that terrorist acts had been carried out in London over the years by various groups including for example far-right groups. For years the British capital was wracked by violence by the Irish Republican Army (IRA).

"All I am interested in as mayor is that we try to prevent all acts of violence whether it is by a disaffected young member of the (far-right) BNP (British National Party), whether it is by an Islamist or a Wahhabist supporter," he said.

It was crucial to understand "that that doesn't mean that all white men are potentially a threat to society any more than all Muslims are," he added.

But he said criticized the government's ties with Saudi Arabia, saying it remained unclear if Riyadh had stemmed huge amounts of funding which he said flows from the country.

Hey Ken Livingstone, can you spell:

A P P E A S E M E N T

Jim B. · #2 07-01-2007, 06:24 AM

The historian Santana said, (paraphrasing roughly) that those who fail to understand the lessons of history are doomed to repeat it.

England (and most West European countries) was waaaay to liberal in admitting waves of immigrants, and now they are reaping the whirlwind.

21st century appeasement is spelled "Political Correctness" these days, but to my mind it is functionally the exact same thing.

They really ought to "racially profile" the hell out of their Muslim residents, because the moderate elements there have done ABSOLUTELY nothing to restrain their bloodthirsty, radical brethren.

It is a lesson that I hope the USA will learn from, that untrammelled immigration from immigrants professing this faith can lead to a horror.

We have plenty of Persians in Beverly Hills, Iraqis in Dearborn, Afghanis in Fremont, but are NOT yet awash in Muslims like England has become.

There is now an ENORMOUS Islamic presence in England, and parts of Western Europe, and it comes with an exploding birthrate. In another generation the texture of Europe may be dramatically changed.

Honus · #3 07-01-2007, 08:20 AM

I don't see how the Mayor is equivalent to Chamberlain. Chamberlain thought that letting Hitler take over part of Czechoslovakia would bring "peace for our time." His Munich Agreement is the epitome of appeasement. Based on the brief articles you posted, I don't see where the Mayor advocates giving anything to any terrorist groups. In fact, this part

Quote:

...At the same time he criticized Britain over its ties with Saudi Arabia, which he said had fuelled intolerance in the past through its Wahhabist form of Islam, creating a "major problem."...

seems to go contrary to your thesis.

Botnst · #4 07-01-2007, 09:14 AM

Europeans must allow immigration as the birth rates of native Europeans is unsustainable -- the population would be in precipitous decline without immigration. If they don't replace the population with their own children, people from outside will replace them -- either legally or illegally. That inevitably will lead in huge changes in European culture over the next generation or two. The separation between the rich European ruling class and the emerging majority dusky-brown underclass will result in the turmoil that brought Europe into class warfare from the 18th Century through the mid-20th. Interestingly, it will be accompanied by religious wars that Europe thought it had outgrown in the 17th Century but with the added spiciness of a racially segregated society.

Great fun will be had by all.

B

mgburg · #5 07-01-2007, 01:17 PM

Correct me, if I'm wrong, but hasn't the state of Illinois "proclaimed" itself an "illegal alien" (IA) sanctuary?

Aren't there some other, hair-ball-leftist-lib-PC entities doing that same damn thing?

Proclaiming that an illegal act is premissible, and because their community proclaims the act a "non-issue" that it's OK to break a certain law?

Why aren't these loony-toons being arrested and kicked out of their elected positions? They are violating the "Oath of Office" they took when they were sworn into office.

If they can pull that chit, then:

Stop signs are for chickens...
Parking meters are for pu55ies...
Speed Limits are for slugs...
Political Offices are for Socially-challenged...

Why have any law, when by a simple vote, you can legitimize what ever thought is running through your head...regardless how that law effects anyone, anything, or previous law that is legitimitally (sp?) on the books?

Anarchy! Anarchy! I say!

GermanStar · #6 07-01-2007, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mgburg

Why aren't these loony-toons being arrested and kicked out of their elected positions? They are violating the "Oath of Office" they took when they were sworn into office.

Good idea. Let's start at the top.

danwatt · #7 07-01-2007, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim B.

There is now an ENORMOUS Islamic presence in England, and parts of Western Europe, and it comes with an exploding birthrate. In another generation the texture of Europe may be dramatically changed.

2.8% is enormous?

Carleton Hughes · #8 07-01-2007, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danwatt

2.8% is enormous?

Well, perhaps the chaps at MI6 has had operatives working in Halal shops impregnating the food with satpetre or other sterility agents,as some black americans accused KFC of doing,doubtlessy without success.

BENZ-LGB · #9 07-01-2007, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GermanStar

Good idea. Let's start at the top.

All politics are, at its very core, "local."

So, we get rid of Bush, then what? Hillary? Obama? Thompson? Your own McCain?

They are all a sorry lot of useless politicians.

The Dems have their heads buried so deep into the PC culture that they can't even come up for air anymore.

The Reps are so interested in protecting business interests that they can't see the harm of certain things, like unchecked illegal immigration.

So, who do you propose to replace Bush? You can't start at the top until you have a plan and a viable replacement.

GermanStar · #10 07-01-2007, 02:21 PM

That's easy -- Ron Paul.

MBlovr · #11 07-01-2007, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Botnst

Europeans must allow immigration as the birth rates of native Europeans is unsustainable -- the population would be in precipitous decline without immigration. If they don't replace the population with their own children, people from outside will replace them -- either legally or illegally. That inevitably will lead in huge changes in European culture over the next generation or two. The separation between the rich European ruling class and the emerging majority dusky-brown underclass will result in the turmoil that brought Europe into class warfare from the 18th Century through the mid-20th. Interestingly, it will be accompanied by religious wars that Europe thought it had outgrown in the 17th Century but with the added spiciness of a racially segregated society.

Great fun will be had by all.

B

Interesting post.

MBlovr · #12 07-01-2007, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BENZ-LGB

All politics are, at its very core, "local."

So, we get rid of Bush, then what? Hillary? Obama? Thompson? Your own McCain?

They are all a sorry lot of useless politicians.

The Dems have their heads buried so deep into the PC culture that they can't even come up for air anymore.

The Reps are so interested in protecting business interests that they can't see the harm of certain things, like unchecked illegal immigration.

So, who do you propose to replace Bush? You can't start at the top until you have a plan and a viable replacement.

I agree that they are all cut from the same cloth. Nobody who genuinely had the working classes interests in mind stands a chance of achieving the slightest bit of recognition.