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Hatterasguy 07-04-2007 10:37 PM

The stand alone masts wouldn't bother me really, Freedom has been doing it for years and AFAIK never had a problem.

Most sailing vessels spend a lot of time under power for various reasons.

Matt SD300 07-04-2007 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012 (Post 1554895)
Nice try dude, check out the slide show where it shows it running under power. I have a feeling it spends a lot of time with the sails retracted.

FEELING?????????...Lol :scream:.........Check my signature below...:scream:

No doubt... it spends a fair share of it's time under power...That said...It is far more GREEN than you are!!...truth be told..........;) How many miles have traveled being pushed by the wind???.....Greenies..............:dizzy2:

Hatterasguy 07-05-2007 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt SD300 (Post 1554928)
FEELING?????????...Lol :scream:.........Check my signature below...:scream:

No doubt... it spends a fair share of it's time under power...That said...It is far more GREEN than you are!!...truth be told..........;) How many miles have traveled being pushed by the wind???.....Greenies..............:dizzy2:

Ugh dude that boat probably has twin engines and consumes several hundred gallons per hour running. Such vessels burn a lot of fuel. Throw in what the hello burns, all the toys ect ect. But it doesn't really matter because there are so few of them, in this case just one.

Honus 07-05-2007 12:21 AM

Even if the ship's fuel consumption is low, the whole thing is still an idiotic waste of money. It looks like an 8th grader's concept of a really cool boat.

Botnst 07-05-2007 07:56 AM

Oopsie! Back to the 8th grade for me.

I like the idea of modernizing the concept of sailing vessels to keep-up with materials science and engineering. Rather than worshipping classicism, I like to see technology pushed to it's limits. Let form follow function.

Not that I think classic forms should be destroyed, far from it. I like antiques and respect the knowledge and craftsmanship that created the concept of what we think of as a sailing vessel. For example, I'd love to sail on a clipper or windjammer for they were the pinnacles of their day. I don't doubt that the sailors of the day deplored the radicalism that they embodied saying, "In the old days we used an astrolabe and sand glass and now look at these new-fangled sextants and chronometers. There ain't sailors like in the old days!"

What I would love to see (and have seen concept drawings of) would be modern freighters designed as motor-sailors. It would be a cool sight indeed to see a container ship healing to a 15 kt wind with masts 200 meters tall and sails covering several hectares!

Yeah, give me radical.

Honus 07-05-2007 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 1555060)
Oopsie! Back to the 8th grade for me.

I like the idea of modernizing the concept of sailing vessels to keep-up with materials science and engineering. Rather than worshipping classicism, I like to see technology pushed to it's limits. Let form follow function.

Not that I think classic forms should be destroyed, far from it. I like antiques and respect the knowledge and craftsmanship that created the concept of what we think of as a sailing vessel. For example, I'd love to sail on a clipper or windjammer for they were the pinnacles of their day. I don't doubt that the sailors of the day deplored the radicalism that they embodied saying, "In the old days we used an astrolabe and sand glass and now look at these new-fangled sextants and chronometers. There ain't sailors like in the old days!"

What I would love to see (and have seen concept drawings of) would be modern freighters designed as motor-sailors. It would be a cool sight indeed to see a container ship healing to a 15 kt wind with masts 200 meters tall and sails covering several hectares!

Yeah, give me radical.

I agree with all of that, but the Maltese Falcon is still hideous. Look at the photos on the two links provided in this thread.

Form should almost always follow function. I generally find that if something functions well, then its form will also be pleasing.

Botnst 07-05-2007 09:16 AM

Yeah, I looked at the links. The vessel is composed of modern alloys and composites and controlled by computer-commanded motors. They chose to use these materials and methods to take a huge technological step beyond traditional sailing materials and designs. The result is clean, even sparse lines. the important questions to me are whether it is seaworthy, fast, and whether it is comfortable.

It reminds me in a way of the difference between the standard home designs of early in the previous century and the radical innovations of Frank Lloyd Wright. His designs are still pretty radical and not for everybody. (I mean if you bought a Wright house, could you be so presumptuous as to redecorate or repaint or remodel it to reflect your own personality? To me, doing so would be putting a sexy smile on the Mona Lisa.)

Hatterasguy 07-05-2007 11:04 AM

Well back in the day they were pretty liberal with sail design. Hence the seven masted schooner, and other things. Or there were various "basterd" rigs.

They didn't have computers, if it looked right it was right.

From a pure techincal perspective its interesting, but its still an ugly boat.

Honus 07-05-2007 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 1555098)
Yeah, I looked at the links. The vessel is composed of modern alloys and composites and controlled by computer-commanded motors. They chose to use these materials and methods to take a huge technological step beyond traditional sailing materials and designs. The result is clean, even sparse lines. the important questions to me are whether it is seaworthy, fast, and whether it is comfortable.

It reminds me in a way of the difference between the standard home designs of early in the previous century and the radical innovations of Frank Lloyd Wright. His designs are still pretty radical and not for everybody. (I mean if you bought a Wright house, could you be so presumptuous as to redecorate or repaint or remodel it to reflect your own personality? To me, doing so would be putting a sexy smile on the Mona Lisa.)

The boat is still a hideous, extravagant waste of money. Every space shown in those photos is ugly in a fashion that has nothing to do with function. IMHO.

As for being stuck in the past, I do like old things, especially things that were state of the art for their time. That's why I drive a W123 and why I like Duesenbergs, steam locomotives, and that sort of thing.

I also like radical new things, if they are well designed and built. Somehow, the Maltese Falcon with its open air bar and space-ship decor falls short of the mark for me. Maybe it's a great sailing ship and maybe its design concepts have a place in commercial shipping, but I think it is a stupid yacht. And I am sure its owner will be devastated to learn that I disapprove of it.;)

kerry 07-05-2007 12:27 PM

I was intrigued by Jacques Cousteau's spinning turbo sails:

http://www.dolphinlog.org/ships/alcyone.htm

Matt SD300 07-05-2007 12:34 PM

I dig it!!..(Maltese Falcon)..:D... a waste of money...ah hell no......that boat charters for $400k a week.........It very well could be a money making machine........

If you want to talk about wasting money..."OUR GOVERMENT" is a good place to start.......:rolleyes:

When was the last time you called your senator or congressmen??

davidmash 07-05-2007 12:38 PM

I like it. It is different. I like old as well, I like the wind jammers, I love looking at ships like the USS Constitution and imagining them under full sail guns blazing. I like my 87 16V and I also like a Ferrari Enzo and the F430, I also like a 57 Bel-air. They all have their place.

The Falcon looks like a space faring sea vessel. Something very modern and different. Not all it is my taste but I could definitively live with it.

Waste of money? Sure it is, but so is a Enzo which so many of us here covet. Hideous is in the eye of the beholder.

TheDon 07-05-2007 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dculkin (Post 1554977)
Even if the ship's fuel consumption is low, the whole thing is still an idiotic waste of money. It looks like an 8th grader's concept of a really cool boat.

It is a really cool boat

Honus 07-05-2007 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt SD300 (Post 1555281)
I dig it!!..(Maltese Falcon)..:D... a waste of money...ah hell no......that boat charters for $400k a week.........It very well could be a money making machine...

At least he has sense enough to waste other people's money.

People don't really pay $400K for a week on that boat, do they?

Medmech 07-05-2007 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dculkin (Post 1555346)
At least he has sense enough to waste other people's money.

People don't really pay $400K for a week on that boat, do they?

I know of boats that charge $250K that are not nearly the size of the Falcon.


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