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mikemover 10-13-2007 12:40 AM

Well that's just damned "inconvenient" for him, eh?....

:D

But hey, what difference do a few "minor details" make?... He's a Nobel Peace Prize winner now! :rolleyes:

I'm still trying to figure out how making a movie about global warming (furthermore, a movie full of inaccuracies, innuendo, and theories casually presented as facts) qualifies one for a "peace" prize.... I guess I missed something?....

Mike

Botnst 10-13-2007 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tankdriver (Post 1645517)
What High Court is this? And why was the government's expert 'forced to concede' and 'had to accept' some things were incorrect? He sounds like a stubborn a$$.

My fault, I copied the news item from BBC so "High Court" is in Britain. It was some sort of suit brought against using "Earth in the Balance" as a classroom instructional aid alleging that the documentary was in fact, a bit of political propaganda. The court found for the plaintiff. The documentary may still be used but it must be accompanied by warnings about it's biased nature, etc.

On a related subject but not targeting solely "Balance", I object to using the term "documentary" for any movie that isn't obviously a piece of fictional entertainment. To me, a documentary should make an attempt at fairness in it's presentation otherwise why not be truthful and call it what it is: Propaganda.

B

t walgamuth 10-13-2007 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raslaje (Post 1645470)
A commentator on public tv joked that the supreme court voted to take away his Nobel and give it to Bush.

That wouldn't be all that surprising.

....pretty funny though.

Tom W

t walgamuth 10-13-2007 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikemover (Post 1645536)
Well that's just damned "inconvenient" for him, eh?....

:D

But hey, what difference do a few "minor details" make?... He's a Nobel Peace Prize winner now! :rolleyes:

I'm still trying to figure out how making a movie about global warming (furthermore, a movie full of inaccuracies, innuendo, and theories casually presented as facts) qualifies one for a "peace" prize.... I guess I missed something?....

Mike


I guess you might have to read their statement about why they gave it to Al.

Tom W

t walgamuth 10-13-2007 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 1645541)
My fault, I copied the news item from BBC so "High Court" is in Britain. It was some sort of suit brought against using "Earth in the Balance" as a classroom instructional aid alleging that the documentary was in fact, a bit of political propaganda. The court found for the plaintiff. The documentary may still be used but it must be accompanied by warnings about it's biased nature, etc.

On a related subject but not targeting solely "Balance", I object to using the term "documentary" for any movie that isn't obviously a piece of fictional entertainment. To me, a documentary should make an attempt at fairness in it's presentation otherwise why not be truthful and call it what it is: Propaganda.

B


Did Al call it a documentary?

I am pretty puzzled.

You agree with his position on global warming, you have not seen the movie, and yet you are offended by the way he presents the problem in the movie, calling it propaganda.

I think maybe here is where I ask you how you, what is it that you like to say to folks, intuitively know what Al said in the movie?

I just don't see how someone can take such different stances on a subject without throwing their back seriously out of line.

You also claim to be non political but any politician who has any "liberal" views gets attacked consistantly by you.

Tom W

tankdriver 10-13-2007 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 1645541)
My fault, I copied the news item from BBC so "High Court" is in Britain. It was some sort of suit brought against using "Earth in the Balance" as a classroom instructional aid alleging that the documentary was in fact, a bit of political propaganda. The court found for the plaintiff. The documentary may still be used but it must be accompanied by warnings about it's biased nature, etc.

On a related subject but not targeting solely "Balance", I object to using the term "documentary" for any movie that isn't obviously a piece of fictional entertainment. To me, a documentary should make an attempt at fairness in it's presentation otherwise why not be truthful and call it what it is: Propaganda.

B

Does Earth in the Balance = Inconvenient Truth? I haven't seen it.

Botnst 10-13-2007 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tankdriver (Post 1645721)
Does Earth in the Balance = Inconvenient Truth? I haven't seen it.

Dang, I can't keep my propaganda straight. I should have written "Inconvenient Truth".

B

cmac2012 10-13-2007 07:57 PM

Who knows? I give it 60-40 that he's right on all counts.

Latest prediction is that the arctic icecap will be gone in 20 years. Won't raise sea levels but it will add to global warming as ice reflects sunlight, open water doesn't.

Laugh while you can, ya'all.

cmac2012 10-13-2007 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by t walgamuth (Post 1645651)
Did Al call it a documentary?

I am pretty puzzled.

You agree with his position on global warming, you have not seen the movie, and yet you are offended by the way he presents the problem in the movie, calling it propaganda.

I think maybe here is where I ask you how you, what is it that you like to say to folks, intuitively know what Al said in the movie?

I just don't see how someone can take such different stances on a subject without throwing their back seriously out of line.

You also claim to be non political but any politician who has any "liberal" views gets attacked consistantly by you.

Tom W

Tom, are you being rude to our chief scientist? :mad:

Botnst 10-13-2007 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by t walgamuth (Post 1645651)
1. Did Al call it a documentary?

2. You agree with his position on global warming, you have not seen the movie, and yet you are offended by the way he presents the problem in the movie, calling it propaganda.

3. I think maybe here is where I ask you how you, what is it that you like to say to folks, intuitively know what Al said in the movie?

4. I just don't see how someone can take such different stances on a subject without throwing their back seriously out of line.

5. You also claim to be non political but any politician who has any "liberal" views gets attacked consistantly by you.

Tom W

1. What did Mr Gore get the Oscar for, Best Actor?

2. I would never, ever base my opinion on some damned movie or other. I believe that the (still ambiguous) data point to a significant anthropogenic component to global warming. I do not think that humanity caused global warming. I don't think that humans can stop global warming but I think we can reduce the rate of planetary warming through a more conservative approach to fossil fuel use. Does that mean I agree with Al Gore's statements in the movie? I don't know, I haven't seen the movie.

3. I have seen some clips of the movie and I have heard whan Al Gore says about the movie. I assume that Al wouldn't intentionally lie about his own movie. I assume you wouldn't lie about the movie. In fact, I cannot imagine why anybody would lie about the movie: It would be so easy to disprove the lie.

4. See 2 & 3.

5. I have never claimed that I am apolitical. That would be a ludicrous statement and factually innaccurate. I haven't often attacked liberal positions because I consider myself a liberal -- in it's original definition, not Limbaugh's and not the Democrat Party's definition. I most definitely have attacked Democrat Party positions because I see many of their most cherished positions as illiberal.

B

GermanStar 10-13-2007 08:24 PM

Regardless of whether I agree with Mr. Gore or not, the man has done more than enough to earn my respect and admiration. Enough said.

Jim B. 10-13-2007 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikemover (Post 1645536)
Well that's just damned "inconvenient" for him, eh?....

:D

But hey, what difference do a few "minor details" make?... He's a Nobel Peace Prize winner now! :rolleyes:

I'm still trying to figure out how making a movie about global warming (furthermore, a movie full of inaccuracies, innuendo, and theories casually presented as facts) qualifies one for a "peace" prize.... I guess I missed something?....

Mike

Yeah you sure did. Maybe you were not paying attention. That sarcastic rant of yours maybe distracted you or something.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21262661/

t walgamuth 10-13-2007 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 1646055)
1. What did Mr Gore get the Oscar for, Best Actor?

2. I would never, ever base my opinion on some damned movie or other. I believe that the (still ambiguous) data point to a significant anthropogenic component to global warming. I do not think that humanity caused global warming. I don't think that humans can stop global warming but I think we can reduce the rate of planetary warming through a more conservative approach to fossil fuel use. Does that mean I agree with Al Gore's statements in the movie? I don't know, I haven't seen the movie.

3. I have seen some clips of the movie and I have heard whan Al Gore says about the movie. I assume that Al wouldn't intentionally lie about his own movie. I assume you wouldn't lie about the movie. In fact, I cannot imagine why anybody would lie about the movie: It would be so easy to disprove the lie.

4. See 2 & 3.

5. I have never claimed that I am apolitical. That would be a ludicrous statement and factually innaccurate. I haven't often attacked liberal positions because I consider myself a liberal -- in it's original definition, not Limbaugh's and not the Democrat Party's definition. I most definitely have attacked Democrat Party positions because I see many of their most cherished positions as illiberal.

B

You all really need to see the movie.

Tom W

peragro 10-13-2007 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim B. (Post 1646080)
Yeah you sure did. Maybe you were not paying attention. That sarcastic rant of yours maybe distracted you or something.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21262661/

Can't find anything in your linked story that shows that Gore's film isn't "a movie full of inaccuracies, innuendo, and theories casually presented as facts" as Mike puts it. It is a matter of law in England that it is political propaganda and a matter of common sense here that the same holds true.

mikemover 10-14-2007 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmac2012 (Post 1646042)
Who knows? I give it 60-40 that he's right on all counts.

Latest prediction is that the arctic icecap will be gone in 20 years. Won't raise sea levels but it will add to global warming as ice reflects sunlight, open water doesn't.

Laugh while you can, ya'all.

Yeah, yeah.

However....

There's an "inconvenient truth" that Gore and the Chicken Little Squad seems to be "conveniently" ignoring: The ice cover in ANTARCTICA has been growing THICKER and LARGER during the same time period.

Hmmm.....

Mike


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