I think it's exactly the point. Having failed with withdrawal resolutions, Petraeus being right and the Limbaugh fiasco the Democrats appear to be grasping at straws to affect a loss in Iraq and Afghanistan.

It was a calculated effort revived from the broom closet to do exactly as PaulC is pointing out up there. At least Pelosi realized that everyone would see it that way before she did it. Perhaps she could give lessons to Reid and the Senate Democrats.

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It pretty much correlates exactly, it has nothing to do with the date, or precedent.


You're a conspiracy theorist now? I'm pretty sure there are a lot more ways they could screw up the war than to pass a resolution and hope the Turks go insane with rage and cut all ties with America. Like not passing funding bills.

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I don't know the details of this resolution, but I think that I agree that she is not helping matters when it comes to our relationship with Turkey. Somehow, though, I wonder whether the resolution is nearly as important to the Turks as was Deputy Secretary of Defense Wolfowitz's suggestion that the Turkish military might want to overthrow the Turkish government when the Turkish Parliament refused to cooperate with our 2003 invasion of Iraq. It's a matter of proportion, I think.Really? You think the resolution being pushed by Pelosi is as serious as starting a war? The comparision seems to lack a sense of proportion, don't you think?

No, no conspiracy. My thoughts are not uncommon among people analyzing Pelosi's proposed Armenian declaration - it's intent was to cause difficulty with Bush's war effort. Problem is that it's America's war effort.

As I said she (Pelosi) and like minded Senators and Congressmen have already tried many more "ways" as you point out above; so far they haven't met with success. We'll see what happens with the funding bills; I'm predicting some steep demands to the President in order to facilitate passage - who knows, those demands might just be about Iraq and Afghanistan.

Is it not obvious to you that the Democratic wagon is firmly hitched to the "lose Iraq" wagon? No conspiracy need be fomented, just look for quotes from Sen. Reid.

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I hope you don't expect anyone to buy that line. It's ridiculous.

Which branch of government is constitutionally responsible for foreign affairs?

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Upon reflection I agree, that line is ridiculous. It should say;

"Is it not obvious to you that the Democratic wagon is firmly hitched to the "lose Iraq" horse?"

A wagon hitched to a wagon is indeed ridiculous. Thanks for the catch.

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The congress has a limited ability "To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations" and (edit: more recently limited ability:-) to "Declare war"... she must be seeking some vague angle there, The right to counsel the president in matters of foriegn affairs is reserved to the Senate not the House... but mostly 'this' and the declaration of the 'holocast' is political blowhardism.

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That's gotta be whatever branch Pelosi and all those other Representatives and Senators are in. I mean, with all those trips to foreign countries that hate us in order to have talks with the governments there...

Who else would it be?

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What I find most disturbing in this latest gaffe is that apparently Pelosi was playing on the international stage to placate a vocal constituency within her district. That she did so with a country, Turkey, that is key to us getting the f**k out of Iraq demonstrates a negligence or disregard for the men and women in harm's way is just sick.

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A similar resolution was introduced in the House back in the 90's Clinton asked then Speaker Denny Hastert to bury it. He did.

I think that elected officials ought to be held accountable for their actions - I don't care if those actions are large or small. I'm amazed that you'd not hold elected officials responsible becuase the action is deemed "minor" (my quotes, not yours). If you cut all politicians lose on the small actions, they'll run miles with it.

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I don't recall saying that.

Either she is stupid or she is a partisan. I'm not sure which. Luckily there are enough members of the house who give two shakes about their own country, flawed that it may be, that they won't participate in this kind of sinister circumvention of the constitution.

Long live Armenia!

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Reading your M103 duty cycle:
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http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/831807-post14.html

Everything anyone in power does negatively affects someone. If one keeps trying to avoid any less than rosy outcomes, then one will never get anything done. What you get is (insert any) Reform not going anywhere.


How do you know it's intent? And the fact that you think Democrats are actively seeking a loss in Iraq pretty much is a conspiracy theory. They live here too.

Thank god someone is aware of foreign policy beyond starting wars.

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