It's probably worthy of note that there is a very high percentage of very angry unhappy old men leading the fundamentalist right against abortion. They all seem to exhibit deeply rooted authoritarian personalities both wanting obedience and seeking an authority to be obeyed.

There are lots of religious people who don't think that full moral equality begins when an egg is fertilized. Most feminist religious traditions don't accept it and liberal protestants and catholics reject the idea. The majority of religions represented in the documentary seemed to be either Pentecostals, conservative Catholics, perhaps Baptists and some Christian Identity white supremecists.

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Oh but your wrong...Not only is it your right...is your duty to tell/teach your kids on how to live life!!

I have to say the last part of your quote had me rolling though!!

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That would be up to the Mother who decides. I doubt a woman who had an abortion would be able to give the fetus a funeral as though it were a baby. There's something very weird in that.

Around here various churches hold annual funerals for the aborted fetuses (killed babies) of that year.

B

If you or I believe that a fetus is a human being with all of the rights of any other human then it is you right and duty when people are being slaughtered for the convenience of others.

Thats funny because I get the same impression of the male pro-abortion crowd.

Not being cocky either most of the husbands of feminist I know are pro-life but they are too scared to argue with their wife about it.

What authorities do you see the pro-abortion crowd appealing to?

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When you examine a fetus' right to free speech, it's right to bear arms, and to assemble... it becomes clear that the right to life... is unclear.
Kerry mentioned it being a Jewish orthodox sin not to attempt to conceive a child... so how big of a leap is it from refusing to have intercourse, to wearing a condom, to a day after pill, to a first trimester abortion?
Would it be murder to 'hit that' without progenies as intent?
I have always found 'viability' to be a natural demarcation line where a personal decision would become the concern of society. Though viability can be as gray as any other measure, it is a good focus, as it is a measure of the separation of fetal life from the life of the mother.
Here's a similar question: Should it be illegal for a pregnant woman to drink a glass of wine and smoke a cigarette?

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It's a moot argument because we all know the authorities are pan handlers.

wow, an abortion thread . . . I'm getting nostalgic . . . when will the gun control, affirmative action, or gay marriage threads re-appear?

I agree that viability is a crucial demarcation point. It's the point where other people can care for the fetus without having to use the mother's body.
I've known people who think that 'hitting that' without progenies as an intent is a serious sin.

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We could start with this one that Kamil started way back when.

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In your opinion, you base everything on religion while you pound the anti-religion war drum like its...a religion.

It's a recurring theme because it has no perfect resolution in a pluralistic society. That's one reason that I think the Supreme's went farther with Roe v Wade then they should have. Like sexual crimes, porno, etc, the degree of legality ought to be as low in the federal system as possible. This allows for different people to have different views and lifestyles. If the fed establishes a law (like abortion) then some states will find it a burden to impose because the majority of people within this or that state may hold a view different from the Supremes.

To my way of thinking it is kind of dumb to think that abortion, creationism, marijuana, and sexual laws would be uniformly accepted or rejected.

Let diversity have it's voice.

B

I don't follow your point.

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What do you do with the whole idea of a bill of rights? Isn't the point of having rights, the position that the State has no business taking them away from you at any level?

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