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Old 11-06-2007, 07:24 PM
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Anybody expert on vw sand rails?

I am looking at one a buddy owns and trying tofigure out if I can make it handle in an autocross. It looks pretty light, has 69 beetle axles and a 2000 cc van motor with two largish two barrell webers.

I am wondering about weight, weight distribution and how much it can be hunkered down and still keep some suspension action?

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Old 11-06-2007, 07:30 PM
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I bet it would flip
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Old 11-06-2007, 08:13 PM
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My guess is that excessive oversteer would be a real problem.
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Old 11-06-2007, 08:31 PM
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Those can be made mid engine! It is my understanding that you can remove the crown gear from the transaxle and reinstall it on the opposite side of the pinion which would reverse rotation of the trans output.
You can do this!
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Old 11-06-2007, 10:27 PM
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I bet it would flip
I don't think so after a few tweaks.

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Old 11-06-2007, 10:27 PM
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My guess is that excessive oversteer would be a real problem.
I am much more concerned about understeer! I am pretty sure it will be too light in front.

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Old 11-06-2007, 10:28 PM
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Those can be made mid engine! It is my understanding that you can remove the crown gear from the transaxle and reinstall it on the opposite side of the pinion which would reverse rotation of the trans output.
You can do this!
Yes, I am aware that is possible, and I am trying to find out exactly how to do it.

my goal would be around 40% front and 60 % rear weights for optimum handling, braking and acceleration.

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Old 11-06-2007, 11:25 PM
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check out

www.thesamba.com

they have a sand rail discussion area
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Old 11-07-2007, 06:26 AM
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Thanks, Don. I will.

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Old 11-07-2007, 08:29 AM
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I am much more concerned about understeer! I am pretty sure it will be too light in front.

Tom W
I always mix-up those two. I meant understeer.
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Old 11-07-2007, 11:11 AM
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IIRC, Tom, there is a guy who is into them on Henry's site (or he had one in his avatar). I believe he is the young guy from Oregon who has all the VW's father.
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Old 11-07-2007, 11:23 AM
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Thanks, JD I will check that out.

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Old 11-07-2007, 11:54 AM
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IIRC, Tom, there is a guy who is into them on Henry's site (or he had one in his avatar). I believe he is the young guy from Oregon who has all the VW's father.
Brandon and that is his father IIRC
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Old 11-07-2007, 12:59 PM
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Brandon and that is his father IIRC
Brandon--thats him--I was going to say "McGuyver" but didn't know if anyone else had followed the dude's amazing ability to improvise.
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Old 11-07-2007, 01:18 PM
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Might as well set it up mid engine as it has the 914 engine already. The 5 speed 914 (901) gearboxes are pretty cheap. I have a spare tail shifter trans if needed but a later (>1972) side shifter is much quicker.

I have a bunch of 914 stuff in the barn that needs to find a home.

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