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Old 11-10-2007, 06:14 PM
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King Juan Calros gets my vote

Spain's king tells Venezuela's Chavez to "shut up"
By Manuel Farias and Pav Jordan 2 hours, 14 minutes ago

SANTIAGO (Reuters) - Spain's King Juan Carlos told Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez on Saturday to "shut up" during closing speeches by leaders from the Latin world that brought the Ibero-American summit to an acrimonious end.

"Why don't you shut up?" the king shouted at Chavez, pointing a finger at the president when he tried to interrupt a speech by Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero.

Zapatero was in the middle of a speech at the summit of mostly leftist leaders from Latin America, Portugal, Spain and Andorra, and was criticizing Chavez for calling former Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar a fascist.

Chavez, a leading leftist foe of Washington, also attacked Spanish businessman Gerardo Diaz Ferran earlier in the week after he questioned the safety of foreign investments in Venezuela.

"I want to express to you President Hugo Chavez that in a forum where there are democratic governments ... one of the essential principles is respect," Zapatero told the leaders gathered in the Chilean capital, Santiago.

"You can disagree radically, without being disrespectful," Zapatero, a socialist, said sternly, drawing applause from some of the other heads of state.

Chavez, a former soldier, made his mark on the three-day summit from the start, announcing his arrival earlier in the week with defiant lyrics from a Mexican ballad.

"With the truth in hand, I do not offend, I do not fear," Chavez said on Saturday. "The government of Venezuela reserves the right to respond to any aggression."

PULP MILL FIGHT

The 19 leaders at the summit were nearly all leftists and the gathering was mostly friendly, although tension flared between neighbors Argentina and Uruguay over a controversial pulp mill along a border river.

Uruguay granted a long-awaited start-up permit to a Finnish group for the pulp mill on Thursday, drawing swift criticism from Argentina and deepening a long-running dispute.

The official theme of the summit was social cohesion, but many of the region's top leaders took advantage of the event to hold bilateral meetings on energy.

Latin American economies have expanded rapidly in recent years, putting pressure on energy supplies due to rising consumer demand and factory output in countries such as Chile and Argentina.

While most heads of state were due to leave Chile on Saturday, Chavez joined some of South America's most left-leaning leaders at a rally of about 3,000 people gathered for a "People's Summit" in a Santiago stadium.

Chavez interrupted his speech at the rally to call Cuba's Fidel Castro, who he considers his mentor. Chavez paraphrased a message from Castro congratulating Chileans who fought against former dictator Augusto Pinochet.

"Well Fidel, what a shame that we don't have speakerphone on this mobile, the people wanted to hear you," said Chavez, dressed in a red T-shirt.

Joining Chavez at the rally were Bolivia's Evo Morales, Cuban Vice President Carlos Lage and Nicaragua's Daniel Ortega. In his closing remarks from the leaders summit, Morales accused other countries of perceiving him as a lackey of the Venezuelan president.

"They treat us like animals because of the unconditional cooperation from comrade Hugo Chavez ... him as the big one and me as the little one," Morales told summit leaders.

(Additional reporting by Magdalena Morales and Ines Guzman; editing by Xavier Briand and Todd Eastham)

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That's funny, a bunch of leftists calling each other fascists.
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Old 11-11-2007, 02:37 AM
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Mighty Spain

Having spent some time in Latin America, it is no great secret to me, or anyone there, that anything or anyone from Spain, or Spanish, is highly admired and held in very high esteem there. The more
Spanish blood in your veins you can claim, the better you are believed to be.

Spain is still the "mother country" of all the Latin American countries, and Chavez would be a mere upstart to affront the dignity and culture of Spain.

A major gaffe committed by the insolent Venezuelan. Poco loco? Maybe, but that is just how it is.

Most South Americans would feel Chavez is little more than some dirty Indio, unfit to even shine the shoes of the Spanish King.
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Old 11-11-2007, 03:36 AM
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That's funny, a bunch of leftists calling each other fascists.
Fascists can be found to the Left as well as to the Right.
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Spain's king tells Venezuela's Chavez to "shut up"
Still getting your vote?

Spain withdraws from Germany’s Holocaust-Persecution-Alliance

Freedom of Expression cannot be denied even to the Nazis.

The first sentence given in Spain for the crime of genocide apology will also be the last. Moreover, it will be revoked.

The Constitutional Tribunal decided yesterday to decriminalise a presumption that was included in the reform of the Penal Code of 1996. Article 607.2 anticipates punishments of up to two years in jail for whoever, “by any means” diffuses “ideas or doctrines that deny or justify” the Holocaust.

With that legislation, a Barcelona court [Juzgado Penal Nº 3, Judge Santiago Vidal] sentenced a librarian [Pedro Varela] in this city in 1998 who distributed and commercialised pro Nazi books and videos. Against the prosecution’s criteria, the Catalonian Court of Appeal [Audiencia Provincial, three judges] posed the question of unconstitutionality, when considering that the referenced article limits a fundamental right, the right to freedom of expression, since it punishes the diffusion of ideas “without demanding any other element, such as affronts, or inciting to attack groups.”

We are, undoubtedly, before a correct decision of the Constitutional Court that reinforces our system of guarantees. Because, no matter how odious the ideas that justify genocide may appear to us, a free society cannot deny their right of freedom of expression, unless it includes inciting to violence.
The opposite would be to reinstate the crime of opinion.

We expressed ourselves in that respect on the occasion of the closing of Egin, the pro Eta newspaper. Without talking of the dangers of establishing limits to the freedom of expression: others will always be able to use the precedent. It is yet very much alive, for example, the case of the Mohammed vignettes, that the Islamic collectives have not hesitated in trying to censor. Where are the limits established?
It will always be preferable to voice the most polemic opinions rather than exercise censorship.
Even more so when society has lots of means within its reach to refute them by confronting them with reality.

Pedro Varela in handcuffs then for selling books containing the truth about Auschwitz and the Jewish holocaust-tales.
On November 7, 2007 Spain’s Constitutional Court ruled on the case of Pedro Varela, the well known Spanish human rights activist and publisher. Pedro Varela was sentenced initially (Nov. 16, 1998) to five years in prison by a Barcelona court for selling books that were considered to contain articles of racehate and holocaust-denial. In fact, they were books that disputed certain aspect of the modern holocaust dogma.
On April 30, 1999, the highest appeal court of Catalonia overturned the verdict and denounced the original verdict, as well as the law the verdict was based on, (article 607.2 Spanish penal code) as illegal.

Three judges came to the unanimous conclusion that such a law is violating human rights by depriving every individual from his or her basic human rights (UN-Charter, Article 19).

The Spanish Constitutional Court now confirmed the ruling of the Catalonial Appeal-Court and abolished Spain’s “holocaust-denial-law” because it deprives people from their right to freely express their opinions.

This ruling by the highest judges of Spain is a blow to Holocaust-Germany that had used all her resources and powers to form a thought-crime-alliance in Europe.
Holocaust-Germany’s intention was to throw everyone in prison who objects to holocaust-lies.
It seems that Germany’s fiendish alliance is now starting to crumble.
Will this be the beginning of the end of Germany’s and Israel’s world-terror-politics?
Will freedom come again for mankind?
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You do understand the concept of limited constitutional monarchy, don't you?

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Juan Carlos should realize Spain is not ruling South America anymore and the Indio wouldn't care to shine the puppet king's shoes anyday.
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Juan Carlos should realize Spain is not ruling South America anymore and the Indio wouldn't care to shine the puppet king's shoes anyday.
Wishful thinking.

S.A. adoration of Spain and Juan Carlos in particular is akin to American ancestor worship and fawning over the English royals. It's a fact, goofy as it seems.
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Not every American I know are into ancestor worship, I know a lot who are into ridiculing Brits every opportunity they get, just as not all SA are into Juan Carlos. There is no worship of Spain in Brazil in any way, its probably a flawed perception. On top of that, current all educated class in SA are well aware of Spain's little influence in current state of affairs in the world so I am sure it will have least impact at least in Venezuela, probably will go in Chavez's favor, specially with the so called Indio population.
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Not every American I know are into ancestor worship, I know a lot who are into ridiculing Brits every opportunity they get, just as not all SA are into Juan Carlos. There is no worship of Spain in Brazil in any way, its probably a flawed perception. On top of that, current all educated class in SA are well aware of Spain's little influence in current state of affairs in the world so I am sure it will have least impact at least in Venezuela, probably will go in Chavez's favor, specially with the so called Indio population.
Of course not everybody is a sycophantic anglophile, but a whole lot of people are smitten, or the royals wouldn't make headlines every time they fart and there wouldn't be this perpetual Diana worship. in the newspapers and TV.

No worship of Spain in Brazil, huh? No *****. Brazil was colonized by which country?

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Brazil is SA thats why I quoted it, and yes even though it was a Portuguese colony there is no worshipping of their former rulers either. I think the US fascination for the Brit royalty is more of a tabloid thing than something of a substance, its entertainment for most.
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Brazil is SA thats why I quoted it, and yes even though it was a Portuguese colony there is no worshipping of their former rulers either. I think the US fascination for the Brit royalty is more of a tabloid thing than something of a substance, its entertainment for most.
How does a tabloid make money?
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Brazil is SA thats why I quoted it, and yes even though it was a Portuguese colony there is no worshipping of their former rulers either. I think the US fascination for the Brit royalty is more of a tabloid thing than something of a substance, its entertainment for most.

I'd be willing to bet the new set of replica W140 wheels I just put on my coupe that myself and Bot have spent more time in South America than you have....


It's the sophisticated, educated, upper classes there that identify most closely to Spain and things Spanish.

Did you know, for instance, when the now disgraced ex President of Peru, Alberto Fujimori ran for President of Peru, back in 1990, his strongesst opponent was the world acclaimed Peruvain Mario Vargas Llosa?

And did know that he spent the entire period of his Presdiential campaign living in Spain?

Incredibly, this fact, while commented on at some length in the Peruvian press, at the time, nonetheless failed to stop him from running a very close second in tht Presidential race, FROM THE LUXURY AND COMFORT OF SPAIN, for the Presidency of Peru. He barely lost the race. Some thought his residency in Spain showed just enough arrogance to cost him the race, while running most of it from there.

It was not held against him by the millions of Peruvians who voted for him, though it may not have worked well in other countries of the world were it attempted.

The entire story of his 1990 Presidential run can be read in the fascinating "Pez en el Agua" (Fish in the Water), his 1993 book which is intriguing and illuminating. He is one of Peru's top men of letters, and some of his books, such as "Tia Julia y el Escribador" (Aunt Julia and the Screenwriter"), "Death in the Andes" and "Conversation in the Cathedral" bring Peru vividly to life as few other modern authors could do....
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I'd be willing to bet the new set of replica W140 wheels I just put on my coupe that myself and Bot have spent more time in South America than you have....


It's the sophisticated, educated, upper classes there that identify most closely to Spain and things Spanish.

Did you know, for instance, when the now disgraced ex President of Peru, Alberto Fujimori ran for President of Peru, back in 1990, his strongesst opponent was the world acclaimed Peruvain Mario Vargas Llosa?

And did know that he spent the entire period of his Presdiential campaign living in Spain?

Incredibly, this fact, while commented on at some length in the Peruvian press, failed to stop him from running a very close Presidential race, FROM THE LUXURY AND COMFORT OF SPAIN, for the Presidency of Peru. He barely lost the race. Some thought his residency in Spain showed just enough arrogance to cost him the race, while running most of it from there.

It was not held against him by the millions of Peruvians who voted for him, though it mjay not have worked well in other countries of the world were it attempted.

The entire story of his 1990 Presidential run can be read in the fascinating "Pez el el Agua" (Fish in the Water), his 1993 book which is intriguiguing and illuminating. He is one of Peru's top men of letters, and some of his books, such as"Tia Julia y el Escribador" (Aunt Julia and the Screenwriter"), "Death in the Andes" and "Conversation in the Cathedral" bring Peru to life as few other modern authors could....
Wrong you are and I ain't' interested in replica W140 wheels anyways, I was in Brazil two years back on invitation of my friend Omar Kaminski Esq. spend few months there and plan to go back there on March next year. He comes from the upper crust and never did he or his friends or for that matter his family ever mentioned anything about Spain, neither were they fascinated with Spanish royalty.
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Wrong you are and I ain't' interested in replica W140 wheels anyways, I was in Brazil two years back on invitation of my friend Omar Kaminski Esq. spend few months there and plan to go back there on March next year. He comes from the upper crust and never did he or his friends or for that matter his family ever mentioned anything about Spain, neither were they fascinated with Spanish royalty.
Who colonized Brazil?

Expecting Brazilians to have affection for Juan Carlos is quivalent to Anglophilic American's waxing nostalgic toward the Bourbons. Anglo-Americans know all about the Plantagenets, Tudors and Windsors but the only thing they know about Bourbons is serving them from the bottle.

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