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Old 11-14-2007, 02:21 PM
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Innovative engine design

I can't wait for GM to pick-up this patent.

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Old 11-14-2007, 02:25 PM
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Or maybe Ford: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aoXRv5a9j.M8&refer=us
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Old 11-14-2007, 02:54 PM
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Once again. They are running alternative fuels in Europe already since quite a while.
Even switchable applications with dual tanks Natural Gas/Gasoline.

They are doing quite well. Nat-Gas is only 50% of the gasoline price throughout the stations.

More and more stations are having both avaible.

On top of it, they are way ahead by having reduced the overall mass of vehicles. Size and weight -wise.

Who needs a multi ton P/U vehicle just to swing 1 lazy ass' butt to the drive through window?
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Old 11-14-2007, 03:00 PM
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Once again. They are running alternative fuels in Europe already since quite a while.
Even switchable applications with dual tanks Natural Gas/Gasoline.

They are doing quite well. Nat-Gas is only 50% of the gasoline price throughout the stations.

More and more stations are having both avaible.

On top of it, they are way ahead by having reduced the overall mass of vehicles. Size and weight -wise.

Who needs a multi ton P/U vehicle just to swing 1 lazy ass' butt to the drive through window?
Did you follow the first link?
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Old 11-14-2007, 05:12 PM
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That would be great for GM to pick up, the designer will make a fortune!
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Old 11-14-2007, 05:13 PM
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Old 11-14-2007, 05:24 PM
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That's better than the customer I had once who wanted to know if his Ford Crown Victoria had brakes on the front.
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Old 11-14-2007, 05:46 PM
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Oh c'mon Bot, don't be so modest, you thought of that one yourself, didn't you?
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Old 11-14-2007, 05:57 PM
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The second post on that thread pretty much sums it up.
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Old 11-14-2007, 06:08 PM
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That thread is making the rounds. Someone tell him to install a diving rebreather and he's golden.
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Old 11-14-2007, 06:52 PM
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Ford, along with larger rivals General Motors Corp. and Toyota, is part of the Washington-based Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, a trade group that opposes a U.S. Senate-passed bill to raise the combined average standard to 35 miles per gallon by 2020 for cars and light trucks.
Idiots! Don't they think that the public will demand much more than 35mpg, much sooner than 2020?? Obviously there is some good crack available in Washington, and the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers is smoking the bulk of it.

Hell...I'd like 35mpg right now - not 12 years from now!
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Old 11-14-2007, 07:03 PM
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The problem there is that most of the public doesn't want the 35 mpg cars that can currently be built. Most Americans want something with the size and power that currently leads to about 20 mpg, but they want the engineers to pull 35 or 40 mpg out of you know where. This is why the popularity of CAFE among the general public doesn't exactly jive with the monster SUV's that so many were buying until recently.

I Europe, as we all know, fuel costs much more, and this has affected the car buying habits of Europeans. With fuel approaching (and already sometimes hitting) $4 a gallon over here, I think more people will give up some of the room and power to which they've grown accustomed in order to get better mileage.
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Old 11-14-2007, 07:08 PM
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Better check relative heat content of various fuels before you say which one is cheaper. On what basis is CNG cheaper? You lose 30% volumetric efficiency going from gasoline to CNG. So you have to consume much more CNG to go the same distance.



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Once again. They are running alternative fuels in Europe already since quite a while.
Even switchable applications with dual tanks Natural Gas/Gasoline.

They are doing quite well. Nat-Gas is only 50% of the gasoline price throughout the stations.

More and more stations are having both avaible.

On top of it, they are way ahead by having reduced the overall mass of vehicles. Size and weight -wise.

Who needs a multi ton P/U vehicle just to swing 1 lazy ass' butt to the drive through window?
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Old 11-14-2007, 07:09 PM
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I would bet you 95% (or more) of the public has no idea MPG benchmarks exist at all. So the collective stupidity is well and good......

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Idiots! Don't they think that the public will demand much more than 35mpg, much sooner than 2020?? Obviously there is some good crack available in Washington, and the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers is smoking the bulk of it.

Hell...I'd like 35mpg right now - not 12 years from now!
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Old 11-14-2007, 07:10 PM
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Who needs a multi ton P/U vehicle just to swing 1 lazy ass' butt to the drive through window?
Answer: us fat lazy Americans. And why? Same reason why a dog licks his balls - because he can.

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