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Botnst 11-27-2007 07:25 AM

Consumed by guilt
 
Apologies All Around

Today's tendency to make amends
for the crimes of history raises
the question: where do we stop?



By Gorman Beauchamp


Imagine that you attend a dinner party where you get roaring drunk, insult all the guests, break your hostess’s Tiffany lamp, throw up all over the bathroom, make crude sexual advances toward the family’s teenage daughter (or son, depending), and, in backing out of the driveway, run over a bougainvillea and the cat. Imagine further that, sincerely contrite, you write a heartfelt apology — for breaking the lamp. Imagine further still that it’s not you who pens the letter of apology, but, say, your great-grandchild; and not to your original hosts, long dead, but to their great-grandchildren, but still only for having broken the lamp.

Fifty years ago, New American Library published the Mentor Philosophers series, each with a title beginning The Age of . . . Belief, Ideology, Reason, and so on; the 20th-century selections bore the title The Age of Analysis. Had the series continued to the end of that century and into this, the volume should no doubt be The Age of Apology. Our postmodern ethos seems to hold that if anything can be proved to have happened, then surely someone needs to apologize for it.

We live amid a veritable tsunami of apology. The Catholic Church, which, of course, has much to apologize for, has, of late, offered mea culpas to Galileo, the Jews, the gypsies, Jan Hus, whom it burned at the stake in 1415, even to Constantinople (now Istanbul) for its sacking 800 years ago by the knights of the Fourth Crusade, an event for which the late John Paul II expressed “deep regret.” No wonder that a group in England, claiming descent from the medieval Knights Templars, is asking the Vatican to apologize for the violent suppression of the order and for torturing to death its Grand Master Jacques de Molay in 1314, an apology timed to commemorate the 700th anniversary of that fell deed. In America, the National Council of Churches apologized to Native Americans for Europeans’ discovering their continent and appropriating their land (but did not return any church’s specific holdings to any specific tribe). The United Church of Canada followed suit, officially apologizing to Canada’s native peoples for wrongs inflicted by the church; the native peoples, however, officially rejected the apology.

The current lieutenant governor of Illinois, Pat Quinn, personally presented the leaders of the Mormon church with a copy of his state legislature’s House Resolution 793, expressing “official regret” for the 1844 murder of Joseph Smith and the expulsion of his followers, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The language asking for “pardon and forgiveness” was toned down when certain lawmakers protested that they could not ask for forgiveness for acts that they had not personally committed — a retrograde notion, apparently, of individual responsibility. Tony Blair, as British prime minister, apologized to the Irish for his nation’s insensitivity to the plight of the victims of the Potato Famine in the 1840s. A hundred years after the event, the U.S. Congress offered a formal apology to the Hawaiians for the overthrow of their monarchy in 1893. The French parlement unanimously adopted a law stating that “the trans-Atlantic and Indian Ocean slave trade, perpetuated from the 15th century against Africans, Amerindians, Malagasies and Indians, constitutes a crime against humanity”: the centuries of slavery before the 15th and the slavery of other peoples do not, apparently, constitute such a crime, at least in France.

In 2005 the U.S. Senate formally apologized for something that it had not done: make lynching a federal crime. Such a record of inaction, claimed one of the resolution’s sponsors, constituted a “stain on the United States Senate.” True enough, no doubt, but one of how many? Imagine if the United States or any other government began apologizing not only for sins of commission but for those of omission: an infinite regress of culpability.

My favorite apology so far, however, appeared in a brief Reuters account. “Villagers of the tiny settlement of Nubutautau [Fiji] wept as they apologized to the descendants of a British missionary killed and eaten by their ancestors 136 years ago,” the news agency reported. “The villagers and the relatives of the missionary, the Rev. Thomas Baker, were taking part in a complex ritual intended to lift a curse the locals say has caused an extended run of bad luck.” A cow was slaughtered and kisses given to the 11 relatives of the missionary by the village chief, Ratu Filimoni Nawawabalavu, “a descendant of the chief who cooked the missionary.” No word on whether the curse lifted.

more:http://www.theamericanscholar.org/au07/apologies-beauchamp.html

BENZ-LGB 11-27-2007 08:22 AM

Sorry!

LaRondo 11-27-2007 12:31 PM

"Sorry", according to American/Chinese foreign relations etiquette, does not account for an apology.

BAVBMW 11-27-2007 02:05 PM

Yeah...

I'm sorry I read all of that...

MV

G-Benz 11-27-2007 03:43 PM

..."paying for the sins of our fathers"...I believe is the term.

My great-grandkids have a heap of atonement to deal with!!

tankdriver 11-27-2007 08:21 PM

Hm. I think it's pretty cool people can recognize wrongness done, even in the past.

Hatterasguy 11-27-2007 09:59 PM

Everyone is an over sensitive wuss. Back 700 years ago we were not fat and comfortable enough to have feelings. Sometimes you had to pike a few heads to get results.


I was born to late.

It rings nice and hollow to, because the people who are alive today were not involved in past events and have no business apologizing.

Botnst 11-27-2007 10:45 PM

I'm waiting for some Eye-talian in Rome to apologize for murdering and enslaving my peasant ancestors in Britain. The bastards.

B

Hatterasguy 11-27-2007 10:47 PM

Maybe the British should apologize for making my ancestors leave and come to the new world. Oh wait that really benifited me...

LK1 11-27-2007 11:50 PM

I have one question. Do you serve red or white with missionary?

Botnst 11-27-2007 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LK1 (Post 1687066)
I have one question. Do you serve red or white with missionary?

Depends on your position.

cmac2012 11-28-2007 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BAVBMW (Post 1686478)
Yeah...

I'm sorry I read all of that...

MV

:D

Sincere apology and contrition can be a growth experience. Not good to wallow in it, I'll agree.

MS Fowler 11-28-2007 06:36 AM

A lot of people with too much time and nothing to do....

Seriously, I think I understand why politicians like the apology stuff-----They cannot solve the REAL problems of today. That is hard work, so instead the apologize for somone's past sins. Its easy, costs very little, and feeds that "self-rightwuosness." All in all, for a politician, its all gain with no pain.
Solving REAL problems, like stopping runaway government spending is hard becasue it affects voters-the people who can put them out of their cushy jobs.

Botnst 11-28-2007 08:18 AM

The thread title looks strange on my computer. It looks like, "Consumed by quilt", as though there's a handmade blanket out there eating children. I suspected that was a possibility when I was a kid.

Another conspiracy!

B

Mark DiSilvestro 11-28-2007 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LK1 (Post 1687066)
I have one question. Do you serve red or white with missionary?

I've heard that some prefer a "nice Chianti"

Happy Motoring, Mark


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