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Old 12-15-2007, 09:16 PM
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Try this instead of X Copier, way faster. I won't get into the Windows versus Mac war as I generally use Linux which gives me best flavor of Unix for free. However both my XP installations have survived due to the fact I have always used Limited User Account and kept a good AV, nothing else except for the relatively secure Opera browser.

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Old 12-15-2007, 09:19 PM
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PowerPig, I didn't see your response.

As of OS 10, the MAC OS is based on BSD, pre that it may have been BEOS.
I'm sure the Apple engineers spent a lot of time cleaning the code as well too.
You're correct, it is Open BSD, which is a flavor of Unix. I'm actually on my Linux laptop at the moment. I picked up a Asus eee laptop a few weeks back with a "light" version of Xandros. Pretty impressive little machine. I do agree with using ghost, saves a lot of time. I actually don't see Windows staying the dominant OS for much longer though, as users get more savvy, I actually think Linux and openoffice will move to the forefront. Very stable and open source. In layman's terms....FREE
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Old 12-15-2007, 09:31 PM
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In an ideal world the ability to use an OS of choice would be easier, and the result would be a far greater use of non-Windows OS's. I use to use OS/2 a lot and I can cling to hopeless concepts as long as anyone, but it became a hassle. I ranit for about 6 years at work (different job) back in the DOS and Win 3.11 days. It killed Windows in function and stability. But NO APPS. Vendors can't make a living selling a few copies of a product.

I hate Windows, I hate Microsoft, but they have corporations by the balls. So the huge majority of people are not going to use a different OS than they see at work. At work we have been forced to upgrade to Office 2007 which is GARBAGE. But the IT staff would never admit they didn't study the new release, they just jump on that upgrade bandwagon...pay up suckers! And they do it....

Linux seems to have momentum but its strength could be its weakness. Being open lets it grow and expand, but it may be in too many directions.

True competition in the OS market would create great products for the user, until then we are stuck with MS BS.

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I play a IT manager in real life. I have Windows, Mac, Linux and Unix boxes. If I remember correctly, the baseline for the Mac OS is open BEOS, which is a form of Unix. All the above OS's are like tools, use the best one for the job. Basically, if you use some common sense, you shouldn't get hacked.
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Old 12-15-2007, 09:35 PM
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Until Linux can start to capture major share of the corporate market, it will never be mainstream. Most users won't try a different OS than they see at work. They don't want to use a different spreadsheet, word processor etc.

I found a serious bug in Excel 2007 and MS basically told us tough ****. They said that it was a feature 99.7% of the users never deal with (a lie) and they are not going to make any effort to fix something that is a minority issue.

I would love Linux to take over, I hate MS and Windows. Its junkware.


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You're correct, it is Open BSD, which is a flavor of Unix. I'm actually on my Linux laptop at the moment. I picked up a Asus eee laptop a few weeks back with a "light" version of Xandros. Pretty impressive little machine. I do agree with using ghost, saves a lot of time. I actually don't see Windows staying the dominant OS for much longer though, as users get more savvy, I actually think Linux and openoffice will move to the forefront. Very stable and open source. In layman's terms....FREE
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Old 12-15-2007, 09:49 PM
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I started in IT before Windows existed. I have never liked MS products mainly because of lazy, crappy code. If you look around, the EU is embracing open source as are a lot of local governments. i agree with the fact that unless the workplace changes, the home user won't either. I do a lot of (God help me) Powerpoint presentations. (the worlds most overused app) and I get a kick our of creating them in openoffice impress and uploading them for the rollup. Been doing it for years and no one has a clue I'm not using Office to do it. I headed up a database migration from flat files to relational and used an open source DB and it was a huge success.
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Old 12-16-2007, 01:12 AM
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Apple's latest series of scams on their customers speaks to the kind of company they are. OS 10.5 Leopard has been riddled with issues (including SECURITY issues believe it or not) and even features a "blue screen of death". It will lock up and hang with a blue screen. Apple said calling it a "blue screen of death" is in bad taste. Wonder why? Also, their hardware has had issues. The new iMacs with 20 and 24" displays have a fading problem that is hardware related. On the 20" models the LCD becomes washed out and white/faded with nearly no color towards the bottom of the screen, while on the 24" models it happens from left to right. HUGE issue. And, apple has been quiet about it, and won't accept returns for that reason.

Also, they are like big brother, in their support forums at Apple.com, they constantly CENSOR out any complaints of problems with the OS or hardware. All threads about the display issues are immediately locked and deleted. Same goes for OS 10.5 complaints, and complaints about the iPhone price scam, and the upgrade scam where people who bought a Mac before October had to pay full price to upgrade the OS, while October buyers got it for $9.95. Scams Scams Scams. Apple is a pro at it. They cover it all up with their glitsy anti-pc advertising and censoring of the peasant's complaints. What kind of company pulls those stunts? A company that doesn't care about its customers...and knows no matter how hard they abuse them, they will come right on back and buy more, because they've been brainwashed so long into thinking "macs are best....macs are best...macs are...." etc.

Think about it.

I hate using Macs, they are overly simplistic and too closed up. I am in the IT field too, and I much prefer Linux or Windows. I use XP as a daily OS, and it NEVER fails me. EVER. Problems are so rare that I don't feel it necessary to complain. Vista, I will admit, is a terrible attempt at "improving" the operating system, its annoying, slow, and a waste of money. XP is better. I cannot count the number of problems Vista has with networking because of its IP configurations. Also, it doesn't get along with iTunes, which a huge number of people install, it conflicts with the optical drive. A real headache. So neither company is perfect, but don't make apple out to be some sacred "above all else" system/company. They're not.
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Old 12-16-2007, 02:07 AM
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I would love Linux to take over, I hate MS and Windows. Its junkware.

I completely agree. I dual-boot to Ubuntu Linux 7.10 and it's like going to sleep and having a really nice dream... then I wake up to reality (xp).

Why I dual boot? Because my ultraportable laptop runs a Broadcom internal wireless card that is only available with a windows driver. They will not release the source code for Linux development and so I am left to tricking the driver in thinking it's still in windows when in fact I am in Linux... this makes the card behave "moody". Sometimes it's lightning fast, sometimes it's piss slow.

All done and done, if you are reading this and think Linux is a headache, then you've oviously never tried Linux. Linux (especially in the Ubuntu version 7.10) is sweet as all hell. The GUI is phenomenal and customization is ridiculously easy... WAY easier than Windows. Also, you can still run Linux with a 486 and be ok... it hardly uses up any system resources. In windows, my Intel dual-core with 2gb ram feels sluggish... wtf? I hate Windows.

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Old 12-16-2007, 06:26 AM
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I do believe it was up here, but I have posted before that if Apple was smart they would decouple the OS from the hardware.
ie let MAC OS run on native PC hardware.
They could actually give MSFT trouble.
Wrong. It would kill Apple and be no competition at all against MS.

Apple is a hardware company NOT a software company. The main reason MS has so many problems is they have to make the OS be compatible with millions of possible combinations of hardware. Apple knows exactly what hardware their OS will be running on so they can easily make it stable, fast, powerful and secure.

The iPhone was NOT a scam, it was simple business. The thousands of cry babies that bought one early on WANT it to be considered a scam.
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Old 12-16-2007, 10:19 AM
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Old 12-16-2007, 12:29 PM
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God, the Mac Zealots.

3 statements
1). Just like the Mac comericials you are NOT stating why, just do it.
2). I have a lot of software that does not run on a Mac.
3). Your day will come (Actually it is almost here).
"Don't ask what Vista can do for you. Ask what you can buy for Vista."

That ad hit home when I tried to connect a Vista laptop to our existing 11b wireless network. Yes, our wireless should be updated sometime, but I just don't like a laptop operating system dictating when.

FYI - You can still get new laptops with XP installed from Dell's business website, which is what I did.
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Old 12-16-2007, 12:31 PM
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Wrong. It would kill Apple and be no competition at all against MS.

Apple is a hardware company NOT a software company. The main reason MS has so many problems is they have to make the OS be compatible with millions of possible combinations of hardware. Apple knows exactly what hardware their OS will be running on so they can easily make it stable, fast, powerful and secure.

The iPhone was NOT a scam, it was simple business. The thousands of cry babies that bought one early on WANT it to be considered a scam.
Yes the millions of different hardware combos are a big problem with MSFT, I still think APPLE should move to more general hardware. That is one of the things that has kept it in check, and given MSFT the upper had.
IBM tried to keep the hardware closed originally and look where it got them.
I would, if I were APPLE, strongly restrict what different hardware can be used.
Most of the few problems I have with XP are hardware related, primarily the video. Although I do run dual cards with 4 monitors.

I don't think the iPhone was a scam, just marketing genius. Get those APPLE Zealots and MSFT haters to buy it.
Still don't get it though, really cool interface yes, but I have had everything it offers on my phone for years and then some. At a lot less $, and I'm not locked into APPLE for my music.

Although I have often thought the iPODs requirement of iTunes only is something of a "monopoly".

I too would like to see Linux get some traction. But until all these different variants get together and interoperate better, and become more consumer (read DUMB user) friendly they are fighting an uphill battle.
Consider that years ago there was no reason that UNIX couldn't have blown out MSFT without breaking a sweat. But with 10 different variants and this would run on that version, but not this version etc they lost out.
I know I worked on several variants of UNIX back then, found it interesting too that sometimes the command line switches for the same utility on different versions yielded different results. Sometimes quite destructive !!!
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"Don't ask what Vista can do for you. Ask what you can buy for Vista."

That ad hit home when I tried to connect a Vista laptop to our existing 11b wireless network. Yes, our wireless should be updated sometime, but I just don't like a laptop operating system dictating when.

FYI - You can still get new laptops with XP installed from Dell's business website, which is what I did.
I bought my vista equipped laptop about the end of last winter. I have connected to wireless (usually free) literally all over the country since then. I have had problems with only one location out of too many to try to count.

Every time MS comes out with a new OS, it gets bashed. I don't pay too much attention to the hype.

In a previous life when I actually had to labor for my daily bread I earned my living with UNIX for a while. I would love to have an apple, based on UNIX. But every time I price one, apple wants to give the core where the $un don't $hine.

One thing that did piss me off on my laptop was the free trial period with MS Office 2007.
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Old 12-17-2007, 02:44 PM
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I bought my vista equipped laptop about the end of last winter. I have connected to wireless (usually free) literally all over the country since then. I have had problems with only one location out of too many to try to count.

Every time MS comes out with a new OS, it gets bashed. I don't pay too much attention to the hype.

In a previous life when I actually had to labor for my daily bread I earned my living with UNIX for a while. I would love to have an apple, based on UNIX. But every time I price one, apple wants to give the core where the $un don't $hine.

One thing that did piss me off on my laptop was the free trial period with MS Office 2007.
Vista is fine if you are buying new bigger faster hardware to go along with it. It's a fact that Vista requires more storage and cpu to do what prior versions could do on ordinary 5 year old hardware. This is repeated over and over by MS experts and bashers alike. I have read of a few people 'upgrading' from Vista to XP, which I thought was amusing.

I have no doubt you can connect your laptop to lots of access points. It would be a disaster if it didn't. Maybe my case is isolated as it is an older Linksys setup, and is definitely not supported by Vista due to some new packet flag setting.
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Old 12-17-2007, 05:12 PM
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First note, I consider Vista == ME II.
What work I have done with it says Change for the sake of change.
Not Change for the Better.
I believe there is another version of the desktop already in the works due out next year ???

For the APPLE folks.
Don't take this as a knock, just showing it ain't perfect either.
(and maybe you better get this update ASAP)
I just got this article today, and din't know about it when I posted my original comments.
It doesn't make APPLE out very good in that they seem to have ignored/glossed over the dangers until now. And they have know about these issue's for a while.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=749&tag=nl.e539

While I am pro MSFT, I am not a die hard.
Find what works for you and go with it.

And I have worked on almost every major OS in the past 40 years.
From IBMs DOS/VSE and MVS, several Unix's AT&T/Solaris/AIX, OS2, PC DOS to Windows XP and the server products. As well as a variety of the newer Linuxs and APPLES.

MSFTs claim to fame is (becoming was) a consitant interface, and a consistant platform.
Within reason you can still run DOS programs on XP unchanged. There are exceptions.
But most Linuxs don't do this, and many need seperate binaries depending on the flavor. If you are developing software where would you put your efforts ?

IF the Linuxs can show some progress in that direction, they could gain some serious ground.
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1) Don't use Windows.

2) Get a Mac.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Q9zey0QlCDs

Actually i have the best of both worlds. I have an Ibook and a gaming PC. Problem with my mac is that im very limited on games (especially half life 2) and therefore i need a PC to play my beloved games. Many of the burning software to create mame rom games to play on my PS2 dont run on a mac either. I can list a huge deal of programs that i cant run on a mac so i NEED a pc.

Also the one thing i really hate about a MAC is that i cant buy my own motherboard, processor, hard drive, 'gaming' case/shell, and put it together with my two hands.

Ive built my moms pc, dads pc, sisters pc, and my own gaming pc with my own two hands and did it at less then half the cost of buying one from dell, hp, or any of those manufactures

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