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Trakehner · #1 01-22-2008, 10:40 PM

the next president will be a Republican. Clinton and Obama's nasty attitude towards each other is bringing the Democrat party down. Anyway you look at it either Clinton or Obama will be the nominee. If Obama is nominated, the skeletons in his closet will be exposed a few days after his nomination. If Clinton is nominated her health care plan will bring her down. You know, it's amazing how so many Americans who don't have health insurance or who are one illness away from not being able to afford health insurance are against a plan that would cover everyone.

I remember in the last election telling my parents I thought Bush would be re-elected and they laughed at me.

t walgamuth · #2 01-22-2008, 11:27 PM

The Clinton Obama exchange is pretty much normal political stuff.. tame even, IMHO.

Tom W

cjlipps · #3 01-22-2008, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Trakehner

the next president will be a Republican. Clinton and Obama's nasty attitude towards each other is bringing the Democrat party down. Anyway you look at it either Clinton or Obama will be the nominee. If Obama is nominated, the skeletons in his closet will be exposed a few days after his nomination. If Clinton is nominated her health care plan will bring her down. You know, it's amazing how so many Americans who don't have health insurance or who are one illness away from not being able to afford health insurance are against a plan that would cover everyone.

I remember in the last election telling my parents I thought Bush would be re-elected and they laughed at me.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and agree but for different reasons. I'm not racist or sexist but I just don't think that this country is ready for a woman or an African-American to be President. IOW, I don't think it matters who the Republicans have running, if the Democrats have Obama or Clinton, they are doomed by the voters who will turn out to vote against either of these candidates.

Trakehner · #4 01-23-2008, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by cjlipps

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and agree but for different reasons. I'm not racist or sexist but I just don't think that this country is ready for a woman or an African-American to be President. IOW, I don't think it matters who the Republicans have running, if the Democrats have Obama or Clinton, they are doomed by the voters who will turn out to vote against either of these candidates.

I agree with you, I don't think this country is ready for a black or for a woman to be President. Sexism and racism are pernicious. Many people don't even realize that they're sexist or racist. When Gloria Steinem said it's harder being a white woman than a black man in US society, it seemed like a toss-up.
Why is it that many sexually repressed countries, and countries where women are demonstrably treated as second-rate to their male counterparts often have female heads-of-state? Dr Batchelet and Mrs Kirchner come to mind come immediately to mind.

Skippy · #5 01-23-2008, 12:36 AM

And the late former Prime Minister Bhutto, and President McAleese (ok not as repressed as they used to be from what I hear), and former PM Thatcher, and Chancellor Merkel...

Skippy · #6 01-23-2008, 12:40 AM

I think the country is ready for a woman or a black person to be president. Unfortunately, I think that includes the ones currently running. Due to the considerable dissatisfaction with the current administration I think a Democrat victory is likely. I do not consider this to be a good thing.

As for the health care, I think the problem is that the government is already too involved. I've been reading The Great Libertarian Offer recently, and it makes a pretty good argument for why and how this is true.

Jim B. · #7 01-23-2008, 07:05 AM

From what I have heard around here (typically from retired, educated, white people, both men and women, is this)

That race and gender thing is pretty much irrelevant.

Whichever candidate, from either party, that articulates a PERSUASIVE reasoned and logical platform and agenda for CHANGE, will win.

PARTICULARLY with respect to the mindless, endless war in Iraq.

ALL OF THEM want us OUT of that.

Just OUT.

Right NOW.

Waging that war in Iraq is nothing more than some kind of intensely personal private agenda of George Bush and Dick Cheney. Those two will NEVER change from that idea. Never. Not EVER.

From what I have heard and observed, casually, word is that about 95% of the American public is totally just sick of it, just want s the troops back home, and is completely disgusted at the care (or lack thereof), given at the VA hospitals.

As the comedian said the other day, just what would you expect from a President who is a Texas oil man that gives you $4.00 a gallon gas?

MS Fowler · #8 01-23-2008, 07:14 AM

JIm what candidates are you listeneing to?
Maybe Obama will "get us out NOW", but Hillary surely won't---at least if she actually acts as she says ( one can never be sure).

As for whether the country is ready for a balck or woman President. I think we are. But, that does not mean the Country wants THIS black, or THIS woman. Not voting for Obama or Hillary does NOT mean that I am opposed to blacks or women in general; just these specific ones. I object to the subtle argument that anyone not voting for Hillary hates women, and anyone who does not vote for Obama hates blacks. By that reasoning half og the democrat party are racists!
Obama has mastered the art of not saying anything. Everyone knows he wants change, but I don't think anyone has an idea of what change he will bring. I wish he would articulate his various positions, but so far, all I know is that he is articulate and good looking.

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Originally Posted by Jim B.

From what I have heard around here (typically from retired, educated, white people, both men and women, is this)

That race and gender thing is pretty much irrelevant.

Whichever candidate, from either party, that articulates a PERSUASIVE reasoned and logical platform and agenda for CHANGE, will win.

PARTICULARLY with reseect to the endless war in Iraq.

ALL OF THEM want us OUT of that.

Just OUT.

Right NOW.

Waging that war in Iraq is nothing more than some kind of intensely personal private agenda of George Bush and Dick Cheney. Those two will NEVER change from that idea. Never. Not EVER.

From what I have heard and observed, casually, word is that about 95% of the American public is totally just sick of it, just want s the troops back home, and is completely disgusted at the care (or lack thereof), given at the VA hospitals.

As the comedian said the other day, just what would you expect from a President who is a Texas oil man that gives you $4.00 a gallon gas?

Jim B. · #9 01-23-2008, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

JIm what candidates are you listeneing to?
Maybe Obama will "get us out NOW", but Hillary surely won't---at least if she actually acts as she says ( one can never be sure).

As for whether the country is ready for a balck or woman President. I think we are. But, that does not mean the Country wants THIS black, or THIS woman. Not voting for Obama or Hillary does NOT mean that I am opposed to blacks or women in general; just these specific ones. I object to the subtle argument that anyone not voting for Hillary hates women, and anyone who does not vote for Obama hates blacks. By that reasoning half og the democrat party are racists!
Obama has mastered the art of not saying anything. Everyone knows he wants change, but I don't think anyone has an idea of what change he will bring. I wish he would articulate his various positions, but so far, all I know is that he is articulate and good looking.

You forgot to mention, that Obama is also a VERY sharp dresser.

Whereas Hillary looks like her clothes made a crash landing on her body.

And then, she sends them out to get slept in.

But the rest of your analysis is spot on, and I agree with it.

No one can tell me really what ANY of the leading candidates really STAND FOR, or can articulate what kind of "change" they would propound.

OF all of them, Ron Paul at least will give you that. You may not like what he says, but by golly, you know where he stands.

dannym · #10 01-23-2008, 07:48 AM

What really gets me about Billary is she says "I've been working for change for 20 years." May not be a direct quote but not far from it. I say she's had her chance.
I don't think Obama would be a bad president, I would like to know what the "skeletons" someone else mentioned are?

I don't think I will make a choice until I see who wins both parties.

Danny

LUVMBDiesels · #11 01-23-2008, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

JIm what candidates are you listeneing to?
Maybe Obama will "get us out NOW", but Hillary surely won't---at least if she actually acts as she says ( one can never be sure).

As for whether the country is ready for a balck or woman President. I think we are. But, that does not mean the Country wants THIS black, or THIS woman. Not voting for Obama or Hillary does NOT mean that I am opposed to blacks or women in general; just these specific ones. I object to the subtle argument that anyone not voting for Hillary hates women, and anyone who does not vote for Obama hates blacks. By that reasoning half og the democrat party are racists!
Obama has mastered the art of not saying anything. Everyone knows he wants change, but I don't think anyone has an idea of what change he will bring. I wish he would articulate his various positions, but so far, all I know is that he is articulate and good looking.

You are forgetting the "Kennedy Factor" Both Obama and Edwards are good looking haicuts in a sharp suit. That was all Kennedy needed to beat Nixon. If you remember the famous TV debate between JFK and RMN Kennedy 'won' by looking good on camera not by what he said.

I am afraid of both Obama and Edwards in that respect. Neither of them are experienced and both of them just blow whatever hot air that particular audience is expecting to hear.

Hillary on the other hand (isn't it amzing that both Hillary and Obama are one name people like Cher and Maddona?) has a LOT of negatives following her around. She is just not a likable person and that counts a lot these days. She also has tons of baggage from her past dragging bejhind her. As somebody who voted against her in two NY Senate elections I can tell yo uthat she has done NOTHING for NY in either of her terms. She has been setting herself up to run for President since 1999. She also seems to think she in entitled to ascend to the Presidency. They should use "Don't Cry For Me, Argentina" as her campaign theme song as she feels she is Eva Peron...

On the Republican side, Only Rudy (another one name person) has the ability to beat Obama or Hillary in the general election but he seems to have no support from the party faithful in the primaries. We will see what happens on Super Tuesday but his campaign might be over by next month. I do not think Thomson, Rommney or McCain will defeat an energized Democratic party. Of the Reps running I would love to see Ron Paul win, but he is a dead horse.

This whole election is making me sick. I think is really is time for a new party to be formed, one that really represents THE PEOPLE's INTERESTS.

t walgamuth · #12 01-23-2008, 09:40 AM

Too bad Rudi is not in the race yet....oh wait, he is in florida, but if he loses there he will say he was not in it.

Hot air.

tom W

LUVMBDiesels · #13 01-23-2008, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

Too bad Rudi is not in the race yet....oh wait, he is in florida, but if he loses there he will say he was not in it.

Hot air.

tom W

Exactly...

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Trakehner · #14 01-23-2008, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

Too bad Rudi is not in the race yet....oh wait, he is in florida, but if he loses there he will say he was not in it.

Hot air.

tom W

I remember reading how after one of his divorces Rudi moved in with a gay couple for a while, so Woody Allen, gotta luv it.

LUVMBDiesels · #15 01-23-2008, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Trakehner

I remember reading how after one of his divorces Rudi moved in with a gay couple for a while, so Woody Allen, gotta luv it.

He moved in with them when he was divorcing Donna Hanover (Wifey #2) She stayed in Gracie Mansion (NYC Mayor's residence for non-New Yorkers) until the divorce was final. She then moved out of state and he moved back in.