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Competitive? This bizarre, manaical trend of consume, consume more, and yet again more is a temporary bubble in history. We have enormous garbage dumps as a result, and are running out of places to put the stuff. Oh we're smart all right. I'd love to know how much $$ worth of copper and aluminum are in the average landfill. |
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That is one of my problems with Exxon. They are not on a level playing field with the rest of business. They do get to twist the the standards, or laws for their benifit. Did you read what I said ? What you said is in agreement with what I said. Yes there are many companies that have good morals, and care about their customers. L.L. Bean Annies Green Mountain Energy Kashi BioWillie just to name a few. Some people do give a siht about each other. Aparently you do not, or you could see that. One of the reasons you have so much fear in your life. Thanks Have Fun ! RichC . |
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Just because it is fake in your miserable existance. Does not mean it is not real others. I truly care about the people around me. All people actually. Thanks Have Fun ! RichC . |
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For you people that have invested in Exxon stocks. Think about it. You are paying them to screw you. They take your money, and use it to help them lobby congress, to pass laws to unfairly manipulate the market, so you have to pay more for fuel. You are paying them to do this. You are losing way more money than you are gaining. As people here have allready said, Exxon's goal is to make a profit. They are making a profit off of you also. You are not gaining anyting, you are loosing ! The ultimate end is that they will have all of the money/power. And you will be an absolute slave to them. More than you are now. So quit it dammit, your hurting yourself, and everyone else. . Prove me wrong ! I dont want to hear your silly name calling bull. I want to hear your proof that I am wrong in my thinking. Prove me wrong ! . Thank You Have Fun ! RichC . |
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It just sucks less than any other system. Capitalism works for a moral people. We are not a moral people. Government exists to set limits on capitalism. There are far worse examples of greed than Exxon. I can't remember the details, but there is a health-care exec, or insurance co exec that makes something over $3000 a minute- (based on a 40 hr week, but he is salaried, of course). That is ridiculous. NoOne can possible ( in my world) , have that kind of value to the company. He is at fault for demanding it; the Board of Directors is at fault for paying it. Why are there not stock holder suits against such criminal behavior? |
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All I said was that Hitler too had some good points just like the Hippies did. Obviously not enough to justify going digging for it. |
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And I suppose you also believe that Exxon is trying to go green? Comeon, it's all about the money. They do this to win you over and it worked. And you believe in altruism too, right? Sure. The fact that it is based off what I expect to see based on past experience has no bearing on it. Sure. I was once like you but I woke up to a rude shock. |
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Perhaps. But there is always something in it for your efforts. It might not be cash based but there is something. When you pay a hooker, you are getting nothing tangible really. Can you say there is NO gain? BTW, I don't know why you think my existence is miserable just because you don't understand it. I can tell you that once upon a time, I was like you. Then I found myself getting disappointed at many. So, I grew out of that stupid system. Now, I am either ready for your treachery or (very seldom) pleasantly surprised by something good. Low expectations of my fellow man = little or no disappointment. So far, I am happier than when I was expecting people to be good. So how would it be miserable? |
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Sure. The immoral leading the immoral. In your world, true. The market sets the value of a person. Find a similarly qualified person for the board of directors that will work for less and they might give you a finder's fee. |
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How much did your government make from the sale of all of Exxon's products? Include what they made from the sale of the oil as well, port fees, refining fees, environmental fees, and on and on.
I bet quite a bit more. Why ain't y'all *****in bout dat Take it a step further - so we shut down Exxon. Then where would the govt get the money to plug the massive tax-receipt hole created by the shutdown of Exxon? Oh, you say somebody else would supply the oil and refined products? So let's see, split up Exxon, say, 20 ways? Does all that profit evaporate. Nope, just gets split up 20 ways. But the government, your government, makes way more than any Exxon ever will. When y'all going top get over it - the speculators are the ones controlling the price. The oil refiners are along for the ride. And the government is not going to do anything about it, except maybe tax them more. Oh, by the way, I don;t care how you word it, the end user pays those taxes. Those on welfare or in poverty, all the way to guys that have personal jets. Much more of a burden on the poor working man. So, let's reduce taxes on refined products and the profit form the marketing of those products to help the poor and almost poor out. Hmm, doesn't fit in with the philosophy, does it? |
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As for speculators controlling price and refiners just along for the ride, that's ridiculous. The world's oil companies are not hostages. A business exists to influence its market. |
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As an investor, I sure as heck don't want my investment money, on which I will depend for retirement, going to some nitwit do-gooder cause. I want to make money off my investment. I donate my own money and time to charity. Leave charity to me and let business do business. Make money. Make ME money. B |
Question for the OP. Besides fuel, what else comes from ExxonMobil at the station? Aren't those usually independent owned franchises?
Next. What else from Exxon Mobil should we not buy? What about if the material for our seats come from EM? After all, oil makes other products too. What about them? You going to boycott them too? Good luck tracking down whose product makes what. |
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Given the millions of people that filled those roughly defined ranks, assuming you know something based on the use of that term is pretty weak. I can almost guarantee you that I've seen/experienced more flaky, spaced out hippies than you have. The stories I could tell you. I've also seen some amazing stuff come out of all that back to the land hippie stuff. Your comparison is absurd. You could just as well try to pigeon-hole Asian-American yuppies. Oh yeah, they're all alike, everybody knows. |
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I agree with what you are saying. I have no problems with a fair and free market economy. The pivitol words here being fair and free. Which I believe our economy is not. Companies like Exxon are not playing in the same ballpark as everyone else. They are given a special set of rules, with advantages for them. And they can get away almost scot free when they screw up big time like the Exxon Valdeas oil spil. |
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Indicate how Exxon was left scot almost scot free in the Valdez disaster. |
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Here is where the Hitlar bull is coming from. Funny its funded by Exxon. http://thinkprogress.org/2006/05/23/gore-movie-g/ Sterling Burnett is a senior fellow at the National Center for Policy Analysis, an organization that has received over $390,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998. This afternoon on Fox, Burnett compared watching Al Gore’s movie, An Inconvenient Truth, to watching a movie by Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels to learn about Nazi Germany. Watch it: Thanks RichC :joker: . |
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http://library.thinkquest.org/10867/results/status/not/common_loon.shtml http://library.thinkquest.org/10867/results/status/recovering/pacific_herring.shtml ============ Exxon Hires Ex-Official Who Doctored Global Warming Docs http://thinkprogress.org/2005/06/14/exxon-mobil-hires-ex-official-who-doctored-global-warming-documents/ ----------------------------- That is about as much proof as I can deal with today. This siht is just too depressing. Please read, and open your eyes people and look at what is going on !! Go have Fun somewhere ! Thanks RichC :joker: . |
None of those links are evidence that Exxon got away with anything. They do provide evidence of loss of wildlife and paid fines and for clean-up. Notice taht the references provided below are on point and not polemical.
Though I greave for the common loons, how is the common loon population doing? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Northern_Diver How much has Exxon paid in fines do to the disaster? http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2006/June/06_enrd_341.html http://www.valdezalaska.org/history/oilSpill.html http://www.jomiller.com/exxonvaldez/usatoday.html B |
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My references are completely on point. The freeking picture is of an oil soaked bird caused by Exxon. What you you want a bucket of oil laiden saltwater from the prince william area ? And my references are not polemical, or contriversial. They are facts put together by a leading autority on the disaster. polemical = contriversial Just because you use big words does not mean you know it all. The habitat there is still screwd up. Both of our references show that. And is Exxon still paying anyting ? No they are not. In fact they spent millions in lawyer fees so they would not have to. Are they getting away without have to pay. Yes they did, and are still getting away with it right now. Did they pay a small taudry, token amount. Yes. Did they pay enough to pay for the acutuall damages and cleanup. No. Think of the multi million dollar lawsuits that people have won over a spilled cup of hot coffee. Then think of what Exxon has had to pay for the largest oil spill ever. |
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He also countered the effort by some Alaskans to get more money in damages from Exxon Mobil. "The Exxon Valdez trust fund was so large that the administrators of that trust fund were unable to find enough environmental restoration to be done," Ebell said, adding that "much of that money was used to buy private land and turn it into public lands." Of the $900 million paid by Exxon, $145 million remains in a trust fund administered by a council representing the federal and state agencies and local groups. "If there were any matter in Prince William Sound that needed restoration or repair," Mr. Boudreaux said, "it was the trustees' duty to use this money to remedy the problem." |
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http://www.exxposeexxon.com/facts/brokenpromises.html Throwing money at the situation is not the final answer. Exxon is still shipping huge containers of oil thru areas they should be no where near. They still want to drill in the artic wilderness refuge. http://www.exxposeexxon.com/facts/threats.html And the whole Valdez incident is just one little pimple on the infested ass of this company. |
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In solidarity for Vwbuge's position on this thread, yesterday I refrained from buying a Sunday newspaper at the Exxon station...
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Of course they're unchanged. Morality for a business is to make money. |
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2. Exxon tainted products? Oh crap, I DID buy a pack of Twinkies there, but I didn't notice any petroleum-like taste...well, no more than usual for a Twinkie. |
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The bag. What about the bag? It's OK to eat the Twinkies as long as they were not wrapped up in a bag made from a byproduct of Exxon's tainted oil |
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Your description of business is what I've been saying. It is why they need oversight. Another reason is that they can do more damage in a half hour than you can spend in your lifetime helping with charity. |
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