I suppose we should go the hippie way of "Peace, Love, Dope"?

Well then, problem solved. When the people pay more than lip service to their concern of how the money is made, corporations will change their ways. So far, I have seen little real care as compared to plain greed. Oh, the lip service department is going good though.

Definitely. In fact, later this year, I'm going to get myself some hippiewear. A pair of Birkenstocks.

Oh boy, ain't nothing wrong with me, it's them witches, I mean, hippies.

See if you can find a leg to stand on without pulling the wornout straw man Booo-$h!t.

Funny how things that used to be the province of hippies are taking off in the mainstream now -- recycling, organic food, non-toxic products, . . .

WTF are you even talking about?

Your point being? Hitler had done some good too. Also he made a bunch of stuff mainstream. You ready to embrace all that he stands for? Pretty easy to have those high falutin ideas when things are going well. When times get hard, lets see how much of it will remain. You stated that they were rebelling against a rigid society, yada, yada, yada. Have we been as competitive since then? I think not. Before they came along, we were riding high. Do you think we still have that work ethic?

Them not caring makes them amoral, not immoral.

How about "uncaring"?

In any case, why do we expect a company to care about us? I don't. I never felt that ANY company cares about it's patrons other than as a means to an end. Does anyone really believe a company that says "I care about....."? I don't. I know that they are PRETENDING to care to pander to my needs. Why do people get so caught up in the caring crap when it is all fake?

I don't expect them to care about us. I know they don't. They don't care about anything but maximizing their profits. That is how they define themselves. That's not a value judgment, just a statement of fact.

This drive obviously causes societal problems if left unchecked.

Excuse me?? You're asking me "WTF are you even talking about?" and you're trying to link hippies with Hitler?

Competitive? This bizarre, manaical trend of consume, consume more, and yet again more is a temporary bubble in history. We have enormous garbage dumps as a result, and are running out of places to put the stuff.

Oh we're smart all right. I'd love to know how much $$ worth of copper and aluminum are in the average landfill.

^^^^^As a Dallas Texas Oil man, you bring the discussion here to a whole new level of insight and understanding with your brilliant penetrating analysis.

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That is one of my problems with Exxon.
They are not on a level playing field with the rest of business.
They do get to twist the the standards, or laws for their benifit.

Did you read what I said ?
What you said is in agreement with what I said.

Yes there are many companies that have good morals, and care about their customers.

L.L. Bean
Annies
Green Mountain Energy
Kashi
BioWillie

just to name a few.

Some people do give a siht about each other.
Aparently you do not, or you could see that.
One of the reasons you have so much fear in your life.

Thanks
Have Fun !
RichC

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Just because it is fake in your miserable existance.

Does not mean it is not real others.

I truly care about the people around me.
All people actually.

Thanks
Have Fun !
RichC

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Prove me wrong !!!
 

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For you people that have invested in Exxon stocks.

Think about it.
You are paying them to screw you.

They take your money, and use it to help them lobby congress, to pass laws to unfairly manipulate the market, so you have to pay more for fuel.

You are paying them to do this.
You are losing way more money than you are gaining.

As people here have allready said, Exxon's goal is to make a profit.
They are making a profit off of you also.
You are not gaining anyting, you are loosing !

The ultimate end is that they will have all of the money/power.
And you will be an absolute slave to them.
More than you are now.

So quit it dammit, your hurting yourself, and everyone else.

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Prove me wrong !
I dont want to hear your silly name calling bull.
I want to hear your proof that I am wrong in my thinking.
Prove me wrong !
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Thank You
Have Fun !
RichC

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Capitalism sucks!
It just sucks less than any other system.

Capitalism works for a moral people. We are not a moral people. Government exists to set limits on capitalism.

There are far worse examples of greed than Exxon. I can't remember the details, but there is a health-care exec, or insurance co exec that makes something over $3000 a minute- (based on a 40 hr week, but he is salaried, of course). That is ridiculous. NoOne can possible ( in my world) , have that kind of value to the company. He is at fault for demanding it; the Board of Directors is at fault for paying it. Why are there not stock holder suits against such criminal behavior?

You said: See if you can find a leg to stand on without pulling the wornout straw man Booo-$h!t. I had no idea what you were talking about. What has any straw man got to do with this?

All I said was that Hitler too had some good points just like the Hippies did.

Obviously not enough to justify going digging for it.

But everybody does that to an extent. The bigger the size, the more clout. Smaller businesses have twisted tax benefits for building in this site or that one.

And I suppose you also believe that Exxon is trying to go green? Comeon, it's all about the money. They do this to win you over and it worked.

And you believe in altruism too, right?

Sure. The fact that it is based off what I expect to see based on past experience has no bearing on it. Sure. I was once like you but I woke up to a rude shock.

In an alternate universe, sure it could be real. Look carefully and you will see it is all tied to the bottom line. I can't help it if you don't want to see that and put on your rose colored glasses.

Perhaps. But there is always something in it for your efforts. It might not be cash based but there is something. When you pay a hooker, you are getting nothing tangible really. Can you say there is NO gain?

BTW, I don't know why you think my existence is miserable just because you don't understand it. I can tell you that once upon a time, I was like you. Then I found myself getting disappointed at many. So, I grew out of that stupid system. Now, I am either ready for your treachery or (very seldom) pleasantly surprised by something good. Low expectations of my fellow man = little or no disappointment. So far, I am happier than when I was expecting people to be good. So how would it be miserable?