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[R Leo]

That we are to stand by the president, right or wrong is not only
unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.

~Theodore Roosevelt

[Maroon 300D]

Someone should tell Britney Spears.

[TheDon]

"I like me"
-caboose

[Eskimo]

Originally Posted by R Leo

That we are to stand by the president, right or wrong is not only
unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.

~Theodore Roosevelt

More context for that quote can be found here.

(I wouldn't have found/read that if I hadn't been interested in the quote you posted - so thanks!)

[R Leo]

Originally Posted by eskimo

More context for that quote can be found here.

(I wouldn't have found/read that if I hadn't been interested in the quote you posted - so thanks!)

Thanks for the link too!

[aklim]

That's his opinion. What of it?

[Jim B.]

I am not quite as cynical as the person quoted by the late San Francisco Chronicle columnist Herb Caen, who said that Richard Nixon

[B][I]deserved to be re-elected because he was the perfect representation of everything this country stands for

The most vicious, mean, petty corrupt and venal man to ever hold the office...

Though some people said he looked like a Used Car Salesman
(but George McGovern looked like someone who bought one )

And Hunter S. Thompson,
(Fear & Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72) described him as Utterly humorless--the only thing that Nixon would imagine as funny would be a handicapped voter who wanted to vote Democratic but couldn't reach the lever on the voting machine

"I am not a crook" Richard M. Nixon

"The nattering nabobs of negativism" V.P. Spiro Agnew (before he left in disgrace)

[Honus]

Originally Posted by aklim

That's his opinion. What of it?

You don't think that you can learn anything from Teddy Roosevelt? He was a fascinating character with an amazing life story. IMHO, we do well to listen to people like him and to thoughtful people who disagree with him.

[aklim]

Originally Posted by dculkin

You don't think that you can learn anything from Teddy Roosevelt? He was a fascinating character with an amazing life story. IMHO, we do well to listen to people like him and to thoughtful people who disagree with him.

I guess I am saying that I don't understand why we are hailing him or anyone as the next messiah. If you have a point to make, make it. Why does bringing someone long dead from a different era make your point any more or less valid. I am more interested in what you have to say than Teddy, Nixon, Lincon or any other dead person. Just because you say the same thing as them doesn't make you any more credible in my eyes. It tells me that you can parrot someone. This is just like people saying "I was brought up to......". Well, it tells me you are an idiot when you say that. You cannot think for yourself as to whether it is good, bad or indifferent. Dad did this and told me to do it so I do it whether it makes sense or not. Monkey see, monkey do.

[GottaDiesel]

Originally Posted by R Leo

That we are to stand by the president, right or wrong is not only
unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.

~Theodore Roosevelt

Tell that to the people that *still* blindly support him and his war.

I'm still waiting for a single good thing he's done for the country. Even the super-supporters we have here have not taken to the challenge.

Oh and to the person that said, "That's his opinion" -- must not be too up on US History. The person quoted WAS a US President!

[aklim]

Originally Posted by GottaDiesel

Oh and to the person that said, "That's his opinion" -- must not be too up on US History. The person quoted WAS a US President!

No kidding! Really? A US President? My God! I didn't know till it was mentioned. I guess his name fits in this list somewhere, huh? Yah, I know he was a US Prez and a dead ex-US Prez from another era. So? All I am saying is that if all a person can do is point to others to support an opinion and not be able to form one themselves, how significant is what they have to say? Google is a wonderful tool that can find many things a person says and there is an older method, the library.

[A264172]

Originally Posted by GottaDiesel

Tell that to the people that *still* blindly support him and his war.

I'm still waiting for a single good thing he's done for the country. Even the super-supporters we have here have not taken to the challenge...

Spain and J.D. Rockefeller would agree I am sure.

[AustinsCE]

What good have you done for the country, GD?

[Honus]

Originally Posted by aklim

...I am more interested in what you have to say than Teddy, Nixon, Lincon or any other dead person...

Well, you obviously recognize my genius. (just kidding).

...This is just like people saying "I was brought up to..." ...

Boy, I've got to agree with you on that one. It's real red flag that what follows is probably worth ignoring.

As for revering dead people, some people were so remarkable that we should listen to them and think about what they said.

[aklim]

Originally Posted by dculkin

Well, you obviously recognize my genius. (just kidding).

Boy, I've got to agree with you on that one. It's real red flag that what follows is probably worth ignoring.

As for revering dead people, some people were so remarkable that we should listen to them and think about what they said.

Well, I can always ask you what you meant or challenge what you say. As to the dead people, I have to ask John Edwards to get their opinion and it is kinda of a pain.

Yes but people say it with such pride that I wonder what goes thru their head.

Of course we should consider what they said. However, no matter how bright they were in that time or how wonderful they were, I have to make sure I don't just hop along the bandwagon and go with what Joe said because it was what Joe said. Rather, it should mean something to me and then I might mention what someone else said. IOW, while I don't discount what a person said because of the time difference, I don't buy everything they say wholesale either.