For all u Apple Zealots

[kknudson]

I'll probably get baned or flamed because of this

But I had to post it


http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/3033374/295246/105622/2/

Then how about this

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=405&tag=nl.e540

Finally
When itunes DLs Safari to your windows box

YOU violated the Apple EULA !!!!!

[chetwesley]

That's interesting, but who actually uses Safari? I wonder why apple even bothers continuing to develop it.

[kknudson]

A lot of Macs use it as their default browers.

I actually found the update and EULA part much more interesting.

When then push Safari down to your windows box, they could sue you for violating the EULA.

Ok they probably won't, but !!!!!!!

[Gurkha]

I tried Crapfari on my quad core AMD and quad core Intel, AMD machine has 4gb RAM and Intel has 8gb, both running XP x64. The claim that its the fastest can't be further from the truth. I wanted to compare it to my default browser that is Opera and guess what, Safari is not only slower than Opera but its slower than IE7 which beats it handsomely on rendering, page load and graphics so its good to see that the hype will slowly be broken.

He was prepared two weeks ahead, skip the first day of the challenge and make a simple web page that the user has to perform a specific task before it will work. Big wow, not impressive at all.

He only chose OSX because the MacBook Air was 10x better than the junk windows was running on.

e were equally capable of finding [a vulnerability] in Windows if we had to

The entire "PWN to OWN" "challenge" is an embarrassment to REAL hackers everywhere.

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/03/28/cansecwest-and-swiss-federal-institute-of-tech-deliver-attacks-on-the-reality-of-mac-security/

The easy answer is that nobody had any political reason to attack Windows at an event sponsored by Microsoft. Such an exploit wouldn’t even have been newsworthy.

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q2.07/616874CC-35CE-49D3-B859-C2719B6FF352.html

Opening an email URL that exposes a security flaw in Safari is both news to report and a problem for Apple to tackle, but reporting it as a remote exploit is inaccurate, irresponsible, and sloppy journalism, particularly for IDG's InfoWorld, which purports to be an authority on computing.

Listen up security pundits: hackers aren't after fame, they're exploiting security systems for money. As with any business, the easiest route is always to target the low hanging fruit first. In the computing world, that means exploiting PCs running Windows, not because they are common but because they offer an easy exploit for something of value: a way to send spam.

[Botnst]

Why would anybody flame or ban somebody over an opinion about a freaking computer?

B

[kknudson]

Well Botnst, a while back I got into a back and forth with a couple of Apple Zealots. Their solution to PC ptoblems was "Buy a Mac", and that was it, no further reason, detail etc.


I don't knock Macs, and I think Apple could do a lot more with them, but they are keeping them unique to create more of a niche.


I also don't knock Linux (Unix to me) with the exception of one thing.
If 20+ years ago these Unix "????" (can't find the right word) had quit fighting with each other, gotten together, made all the Unix's interoperable and similiar, Mr. Bill would be flippin burgers.


And I've worked on computers since the late 60s, used probalably every major OS, and a lot of one's most people never heard of. As well as have or do program in virtually every language.

[Matt L]

The problem was the license for UNIX. AT&T was a regulated utility, and not in the business of selling software, a nice government-mandated position. They could use the software in their telco switches, and they could give it away, but they only did that to universities (e.g., Berkeley California). When they finally started licensing it, it was too late.

Another problem is what people expected out of a PC 20 years ago. They wanted hardware that was not capable of running UNIX or any multi-user operating system. Real-mode only and no memory management doesn't get you very far, but it is cheap (by comparison).

[300EVIL]

Yeah, I've seen safari show up on my apple updater at least 5 times now. I'm like,,, "I don't even have safari, why would it be trying to "update" me?" Firefox rules.

[kknudson]

True to a point Matt, but there were multiple flavors of Unix well entrenched by the time the PC appeared.
ATT, SCO, BSD, AIX, Xenix (Msfts version as I remember) just to name a few.

Even if they'd have banded together into a good small/mid range server OS, Msft would have never become what they have.


I am basically a Msft fan, I think what they did for computing (eventually, they messed up a few times early on) is why computing has become such an integral part of our lives.

Basically in one word, Standardization, notice on Windows all the menus are similiar across all products (Msft or others), software from DOS still runs on Windows for the most part. Well Vista is messing with that, and I think it is a BIG mistake on Msfts part, I think this is Change for the sake of change. Not change to improve.

Back when I worked with Unix, you often HAD to get new versions of programs (or recompile existing) to get them to run on the latest update.

I will also defend many of their business practices. Although I don't necessarily think they were good for the industry. As a company it is always your goal to be number one in your area. Thats what they did, at times at the expense of some good products.
Things like including IE with the OS (embedding NO, including yes). Try and buy a car w/o tires because you want to put something not offered by the manuf, or a stereo, or .... Same concept.


But like all companies, Apple included, they get too big for their britches. And begin a downward spiral, I think Msft is at that crossroad. They are shooting randomly at many moving targets, without regard to wether it will make them or the industry better. I think they are driven by power and control, NOT evolution or improvement.

I think they need to find a visionary leader, Gates fell out of that 10+ years ago. Ray Ozzie, aka Lotus Notes and now part of Msft could provide some of that spark. But it just might be too late. We'll know in another 5 or 10 years. They won't disappear, but like IBM they will just become another player in the market.

[Botnst]

I use PC's at work but when I buy a computer out of my pocket, it's a Mac because it works as advertised out of the box with no configuration needed.

Yup, that's my solution to all problems: Buy a Mac. That isn't either a flame nor a call for execution nor banishment.

It's an opinion of a non-computer pro who is forced to use the freaking things on a daily basis. I don't need to know nor do I want to know how the dang thing works. I want it to work according to my needs and goals. I'd prefr to just tell it what I want and have the stupid thing work without a freaking keyboard & rodent.

My next computer will be the one that most nearly reaches that goal. Not some box label or cute commercial.

[jaoneill]

Originally Posted by Botnst

I use PC's at work but when I buy a computer out of my pocket, it's a Mac because it works as advertised out of the box with no configuration needed.

Yup, that's my solution to all problems: Buy a Mac. That isn't either a flame nor a call for execution nor banishment.

It's an opinion of a non-computer pro who is forced to use the freaking things on a daily basis. I don't need to know nor do I want to know how the dang thing works. I want it to work according to my needs and goals. I'd prefr to just tell it what I want and have the stupid thing work without a freaking keyboard & rodent.

My next computer will be the one that most nearly reaches that goal. Not some box label or cute commercial.

X2. I have four computers in the office, three macs and one &*$$$ windows machine. The macs are appliances, like a toaster, plug it in and it works. The only reason that I have the windows machine is that we work with government agencies that require us to use their "fill in the blank" programs that don't run on macs. I spend more EACH YEAR for IT support for the one windows machine than I have spent on all the macs we have had in the twenty plus years that we have used them.

Different strokes; but for those of us who need a trouble free tool that simply works, a mac is just the ticket.

Jim

[Hatterasguy]

Originally Posted by Botnst

Why would anybody flame or ban somebody over an opinion about a freaking computer?

B

More so when the person that would be doing the banning...doesn't know what they are talking about!

A computer is a computer to me, as long as it works I don't care.

Originally Posted by 300EVIL

Yeah, I've seen safari show up on my apple updater at least 5 times now. I'm like,,, "I don't even have safari, why would it be trying to "update" me?" Firefox rules.

Delete it from the list when it pops up.