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aklim · #16 04-30-2008, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by dxpoo

And whether or not you like where the money is coming from, we still need it for road care. Unless you propose to start filling potholes in your spare time pro bono then you can leave that argument alone..

When they run out of road care money, we can talk about it, fair enough.

Botnst · #17 04-30-2008, 08:38 AM

I'm getting an incomplete picture, glued together by strong opinions.

Is that $0.18 the federal tax?

How much federal highway tax is distributed to the states? Your state?

What are your state and local gas tax burdens?

Are all fuels taxes within your state equal?

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dxpoo · #18 04-30-2008, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

When they run out of road care money, we can talk about it, fair enough.

Great solution. Create a crisis, so we must fix it in a panic state, instead of rational avoidance of such a crisis.

Congress is right now debating a bill that would act to close the Enron loopholes in energy speculation, which is the real reason fuel prices have went up. We should get on board with that.

Enron, and now this... How many times will the same dog bite us?

Botnst · #19 04-30-2008, 08:43 AM

I'm glad the government is getting involved in markets. Look what the gov has done for biofuels and agriculture. I can hardly wait to see the long-term impact of regulating market speculation.

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raymr · #20 04-30-2008, 08:55 AM

When the Holiday is over, the hangover sets in. It's a band-aid approach at best.

dxpoo · #21 04-30-2008, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

I'm glad the government is getting involved in markets. Look what the gov has done for biofuels and agriculture. I can hardly wait to see the long-term impact of regulating market speculation.

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That's a faulty argument. Regulation of an out of control speculation market, which has taken a poker table mentality to energy investing is not the same as pandered for subsidies. Using broad generalities about things only serves to foster confusion.

The scientific community was screaming at Congress that corn was a stupid answer, but the corn lobby said it was the way to go. Kind of sounds like the oil lobby, doesn't it?

Jim B. · #22 04-30-2008, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by dculkin

Clinton and McCain both propose gas tax holidays during the summer driving season. Isn't that exactly what we shouldn't be doing?

It won't save the taxpayers any money. All it does is shift the burden for rebuilding our crumbling highways to other sources of revenue.

^^^SFW?

Raid the Pentagon's Defense Budget. Nobody would even notice.

U.S. truckers are complaining that it now costs over $1,300 to fill up their vehicle tanks with fuel. Just think about what that is doing to them, and the trickle down effects on the economy for a minute.

Medmech · #23 04-30-2008, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

I'm glad the government is getting involved in markets. Look what the gov has done for biofuels and agriculture. I can hardly wait to see the long-term impact of regulating market speculation.

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I was speaking to a USDA loan guarantee coordinator and he shyly said that he is approving loans based on the current price of wheat and corn, if the corn and wheat prices drop (which they will) we'll see a whole new wave of farm foreclosures.

History seems to be repeating itself.

http://www.eightiesclub.com/id395.htm

Mistress · #24 04-30-2008, 09:25 AM

It's a voting year, Clinton and McCain will do anything to get elected.....all smoke and mirrors. By summers end it will be close to 5.00 a gallon folks.

Dee8go · #25 04-30-2008, 09:31 AM

Are you suggesting that politicians would SAY things JUST to get electd?!

Botnst · #26 04-30-2008, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by dxpoo

That's a faulty argument. Regulation of an out of control speculation market, which has taken a poker table mentality to energy investing is not the same as pandered for subsidies. Using broad generalities about things only serves to foster confusion.

The scientific community was screaming at Congress that corn was a stupid answer, but the corn lobby said it was the way to go. Kind of sounds like the oil lobby, doesn't it?

I would say it is a useful argument. Broad generalities are extremely useful when discussing broad impacts. It's a matter of scale. Using narrow arguments to discuss things that have both narrow and broad impacts is probably not a wise methodology.

I think the scientific community is one of many special interest groups that Congress should listen to while considering legislation.

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pawoSD · #27 04-30-2008, 10:12 AM

The idea is pure idiocy, typical government. All it would do is ever-so-unnoticeably reduce fuel costs, so more people will waste more fuel (slightly) and then the roads will get even WORSE since there will be NO money to fix them, and the people that worked on those roads will be out of a JOB further worsening the economy and entire situation. It becomes ever clearer that being in Washington means you achieved "can come up with the worst plans ever" status......amazing.

Gas around here has already risen to $3.75 for RUG....I only hope it keeps climbing....I am rooting for $5, then maybe it will finally result in crap-U-V's being taken off the roads....at that price SUV/Pickup owners are looking at driving costs of about 36-37 cents PER MILE just for FUEL. Awesome.

My current cost to drive is 16 cents, which is still cheap. Whats amazing is that at current prices, it costs a typicl SUV/truck owner almost 27 cents PER MILE right NOW..just in FUEL! Thats over a dollar every 4 miles!

I don't care if diesel costs more, I'll cut out unnecessary spending, and eventually move onto something more economic, like a 190d or something if I had to....fine with me.

Hatterasguy · #28 04-30-2008, 10:23 AM

This could be a good idea, except insted of gas it should be diesel. Diesel transports everything everywhere and as a result of the crazy prices costs for food and everything else are going through the roof. This would also help the diesel car along which we need in this country.

mgburg · #29 04-30-2008, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by pawoSD

... It becomes ever clearer that being in Washington means you achieved "can come up with the worst plans ever" status......amazing. ... fine with me.

You mean the "Biggest Turds Float To The Top Of The Cesspool" rule?

Txjake · #30 04-30-2008, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by pawoSD

The idea is pure idiocy, typical government. All it would do is ever-so-unnoticeably reduce fuel costs, so more people will waste more fuel (slightly) and then the roads will get even WORSE since there will be NO money to fix them, and the people that worked on those roads will be out of a JOB further worsening the economy and entire situation. It becomes ever clearer that being in Washington means you achieved "can come up with the worst plans ever" status......amazing.

Gas around here has already risen to $3.75 for RUG....I only hope it keeps climbing....I am rooting for $5, then maybe it will finally result in crap-U-V's being taken off the roads....at that price SUV/Pickup owners are looking at driving costs of about 36-37 cents PER MILE just for FUEL. Awesome.

My current cost to drive is 16 cents, which is still cheap. Whats amazing is that at current prices, it costs a typicl SUV/truck owner almost 27 cents PER MILE right NOW..just in FUEL! Thats over a dollar every 4 miles!

I don't care if diesel costs more, I'll cut out unnecessary spending, and eventually move onto something more economic, like a 190d or something if I had to....fine with me.

you obviously don't realize that lots of folks use those SUV and pickups to conduct business. the higher the price of fuel, the more pain they feel, and it gets passed on to everybody. also, in lots of parts of the country, out of necessity, people drive LONG distances to work. $5.00 a gallon? greenie platitudes like this disgust me..... this country needs more oil and cheaper fuel costs.

DRILL IN THE US & OPEN MORE REFINERIES......